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admin
Board Administrator
Username: admin
Post Number: 433
Registered: 12-2004
Best of Black Box? N/A
Votes: 0 (A keeper?) | | Posted on Thursday, May 5, 2005 - 10:45 am: | 
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The link to the whole story is here:
http://www.bbvforums.org/forums/messages/1954/5512.html
In a nutshell:
- Central tabulator hooked up to touchscreens with phone modems relatively easy to hack
- Optical scans harder to hack but can still be done
- ADA "requirement" to add a touchscreen to optical scan precincts increases hack vulnerability to the same level as all-touchscreen system. |
admin
Board Administrator
Username: admin
Post Number: 434
Registered: 12-2004
Best of Black Box? N/A
Votes: 0 (A keeper?) | | Posted on Thursday, May 5, 2005 - 10:46 am: |
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Bev, when you get a chance,some clarification:
"Some counties are adding a new type of Diebold optical scan system, the High Speed Central Count. Unlike the precinct-count optical scan, these paper-ballot systems count at a central location instead of counting at the voting place. According to internal Diebold communications, the newer High Speed Central Count systems, when hooked up to the central tabulator through telephone lines, will be designed to use the easier-to-hack RAS, like the touch-screens."
So the scanner, even if it's a central count scanner, is still separate from the tabulator, do I have that right? |
admin
Board Administrator
Username: admin
Post Number: 435
Registered: 12-2004
Best of Black Box? N/A
Votes: 0 (A keeper?) | | Posted on Thursday, May 5, 2005 - 10:48 am: |
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Linda - (Both Linda and I are admins)
The High Speed Central Count is like the optical scan you vote on at the precinct, except that it lives at a central location. The absentee ballots are fed through it. It is sometimes connected directly to the GEMS program and sometimes by modem. |
admin
Board Administrator
Username: admin
Post Number: 436
Registered: 12-2004
Best of Black Box? N/A
Votes: 0 (A keeper?) | | Posted on Thursday, May 5, 2005 - 10:54 am: |
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(Carried over from DU)}
False Rumor
The fact is that AutoMark is in the process of the final test which will be done sometime today. The reports will then go to NIST and EAC for review and then to NASED to get it's number.
This information comes directly from a principal with Vogue Elections who is in a meeting with ES&S this morning.
ES&S holding up certification of a voting system that can make them tens of millions of dollars so they can sell a million dollars more DREs is ridiculous on the face.
I will give you the name of the principal so you can check this yourself if you want. Give me a call.
RESPONSE FROM BBV:
The article isn't about AutoMark per se, it is about the results of field tests on hackability of the Diebold system, and how ADA compliance, if touchscreens are purchases, jeopardizes remote access security.
An editor would probably have suggested that we cut the whole paragraph on AutoMark, since it takes things off on a tangent. However, since AutoMark is at this point one of the only viable options that allows election officials to achieve ADA compliance while avoiding touchscreens, we put that short paragraph in.
After speaking with John Gideon, we added this to the story:
(update on AutoMark: John Gideon, of VotersUnite.org, notified Black Box Voting director Linda Franz, after making a call to an knowledgeable vendor executive, that the AutoMark will indeed be certified very soon. Our information is that officials who are trying to buy the AutoMark system are being told it will not be through ITA certification before their deadline for HAVA compliance. Thank you, VotersUnite, for your input. This situation bears watching, as many elections officials are poised to buy the AutoMark instead of touchscreens, providing it can be certified before the HAVA deadline. It is just this kind of cooperation between voting integrity groups that will help citizens and honest election officials prevail. ) |
johngideon
Voting Rights Forum Participant
Username: johngideon
Post Number: 52
Registered: 12-2004
Best of Black Box? N/A
Votes: 0 (A keeper?) | | Posted on Friday, May 6, 2005 - 12:04 pm: |
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AutoMark is now ccomplete with testing by an ITA according to Rick Vogel of Vogue Elections in a phone call I received just minutes ago. It only needs NIST review and a number from NASED to be complete. There will be a press release on Monday to make the announcement.
Also, according to a highly visible elections official in Florida the state of Florida asked ES&S to remove their request for state certification until they gained federal qualification. Now that the qualification is close the state certification request can be resubmitted very soon.
Information Manager, VotersUnite.org
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pat_vesely
Frequent Voting Rights Forum Participant
Username: pat_vesely
Post Number: 1545
Registered: 12-2004
Best of Black Box? N/A
Votes: 0 (A keeper?) | | Posted on Friday, May 6, 2005 - 12:27 pm: |
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Thanks John! I'll post the release in Latest Breaking News as soon as it's out.
OT; Will you be going to Sacramento on the 19th? If so, see you there.
PAV ;-) |
johngideon
Voting Rights Forum Participant
Username: johngideon
Post Number: 53
Registered: 12-2004
Best of Black Box? N/A
Votes: 0 (A keeper?) | | Posted on Friday, May 6, 2005 - 1:16 pm: |
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Pat,
I won't be going but I have given information to Jim March, Jody Holder, and I've sent stuff to the SoS contact for testimony.
Jim was interested in the fact that the Diebold AccuView system has still not been qualified by NASED so any state meeting is a little premature.
There is also great concern about the thermal printer.
I have also provided testimony that shows that the Sequoia, and probably Diebold printers violate HAVA, the ADA and a DoJ ruling on accessiblity. The state recognized that violation but ended up changing state rules and certified the Sequoia anyway.
Information Manager, VotersUnite.org
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pat_vesely
Frequent Voting Rights Forum Participant
Username: pat_vesely
Post Number: 1553
Registered: 12-2004
Best of Black Box? N/A
Votes: 0 (A keeper?) | | Posted on Friday, May 6, 2005 - 9:36 pm: |
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It's a ten hour round trip for me but if it gives Jim and Jody two extra minutes to get your info out where it needs to be heard what the heck. Thanks for your help.
PAV ;-) |
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