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Kathleen Wynne
Voting Rights Forum Participant
Username: Wynnek
Post Number: 8
Registered: 10-2006
Best of Black Box? 
Votes: 1 (A keeper?) | | Posted on Sunday, November 5, 2006 - 4:46 pm: | 
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Since I don't believe for a minute that the vendors, politicians and election officials, who still swear by these machines, are not going to just sit quietly by and allow the American people to gain the upper hand in the argument against electronic voting machines, could the following scenario be possible as a way to catch us off guard? An even more sobering thought. Could the following outcome in the election be a deliberate short-term strategy in order to make certain the upper hand remains in the hands of the electronic voting machine advocates? Remember, I'm only thinking outside the box and this is pure speculation...ok, here goes...
Based on the strong response and burgeoning awakening of citizens around the country as a result of the findings shown in the documentary Hacking Democracy, isn't it possible that should the Dems take control of the House, could this outcome be a way to counter any momentum being gained by citizens advocating the return to hand counted paper ballots?
Couldn't such an outcome also be used to argue that if the machines could be easily tambered with, wouldn't the Republicans do everything possible to hang onto their power? I say this because a large number of Americans still believe it is the Republicans who predominantly cheat in elections and, therefore, this bias could be used to confuse and misdirect people regarding the issues being raised against these machines? Also, could such an outcome be used to vindicate these same voting machine advocates and stop any possibility of an evolving critical mass of citizens demanding that the machines be taken out of elections altogether?
Granted, these are definitely farfetched ideas, but I'm just trying to figure out how in the heck they are going to counter the overwhelming evidence presented in the documentary against the use of these machines. |
Chuck N
Voting Rights Forum Participant
Username: Datars
Post Number: 2
Registered: 11-2006
Best of Black Box? N/A
Votes: 0 (A keeper?) | | Posted on Sunday, November 5, 2006 - 5:26 pm: |
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Good question, I posted it here
http://z9.invisionfree.com/Pilots_For_Truth/index.php?showtopic=1136 |
Bill Bowen
Voting Rights Forum Participant
Username: Bbowen8
Post Number: 3
Registered: 11-2006
Best of Black Box? N/A
Votes: 0 (A keeper?) | | Posted on Monday, November 6, 2006 - 1:44 pm: |
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"Hacking Democracy" shows this notion a little bit in the 2004 Congress when the election was protested in the House and backed by Barbara Boxer in the Senate. One of the Republican's (flimsy) arguments is that to challenge the results of the presidential election would also mean questioning the validity of each congress-person's election. And my response to that is "So what?" Every election should be at least capable of being challenged.
Bev also raises a good point in the film and that's that in some states (Georgia and Washington), it's the Democrats pushing for electronic voting and no paper trail.
So first, we have to at least get one party on the same track, and then maybe we can get somewhere.
But we have to get away from these black boxes. Canada is an example of a voter's paradise (minus the Queen of course ;) ) In Canada, every vote is cast on paper and every ballot is hand counted. They know the conclusive results of every election by midnight, and they have an audit trail of every vote in case a recount is necessary. In America, we use computers that can't be recounted, and it takes the computer results two weeks to be certified.
I actually hope in this election, the hacking of the election (which, after "Hacking Democracy" is 99.9% likely happening--and can go BOTH ways), goes against the Republicans so much so that the effort to fix the process does become bipartisan. Now that numerous hacks have been proven and made public, it wouldn't surprise me to see a few anti-Republican hackers get the Republican party's attention about this electronic voting process they forced down our throats.
But all it takes is one party to help us speed up the inevitable process of a paper trail. I think the Democrats are really perking up about these black boxes. Even G.W. has bought Bev's book! |
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