(US) 5/06 - Voting in more than one s...

Author Message   Roberta McKnight Voting Rights Forum Participant Username: Mcknight Post Number: 1 Registered: 05-2006 Best of Black Box? N/A Votes: 0 (A keeper?) Posted on Wednesday, May 24, 2006 - 10:06 pm:        As I have not posted here before, I hope this is not redundant and wonder if you share this concern: How many citzens who own property in more than one state have voted more than once - in more than one state in recent national elections? Of course, this practice would be confined to those wealthy enough to own property in more than one state. I posed this and other questions to election board officials here in Virginia, asking how they monitor and prevent voting more than once. Here are two of the replies I received, and I am interested to hear your thoughts: "Unfortunately, it is NOT uncommon for citizens who own property in different states to vote more than once. Just because an act may be illegal does not prevent criminals from doing so. While election fraud is difficult to measure, it does occur. The US Department of Justice has launched more than 180 investigations into election fraud since October 2002. These investigations have resulted in charges for multiple voting, providing false information, and other offenses against 89 individuals and in convictions of 52 individuals. An individual should register to vote ONLY in the state of their legal domicile (usually the address they list for income tax purposes). A person who intentionally registers to vote in more than one state at the same time is committing both state and federal felonies. To actually cast votes in the same election in different states would result in committing additional separate felonies." David R. Andrews, CPGR, General Voter Registrar, City of Williamsburg "We currently have no mechanism for determining how many citizens vote in more than one state. When a Registrar learns that a person is registered to vote in another state, then their registration is cancelled and they may no longer vote in their old locality. It is only when the Registrar of the old locality does not learn of the registration in a new locality that the person can vote in more than one place." J. Kirk Showalter, General Registrar, City of Richmond, Commonwealth of Virginia Do you think this may account for a significant portion of voter fraud?   Pat Vesely Frequent Voting Rights Forum Participant Username: Pat_vesely Post Number: 352 Registered: 02-2006 Best of Black Box? N/A Votes: 0 (A keeper?) Posted on Wednesday, May 24, 2006 - 10:31 pm:        Hi Roberta, welcome to Black Box Voting.org. Well 89 known cases of voters confirmed as having voted twice in different states since 2002 isn't really that surprising, but it pales in comparison to the numbers of voters who are disenfranchised and don't have their votes counted at all in any given election. Bob Fitrakis and Harvey Wasserman of the Ohio Free Press documented 175,000 purged voters in Cuyahoga County (Cleveland), the traditional stronghold of the Ohio Democratic Party. An additional 10,000 that registered to vote there for the 2004 election were lost due to "clerical error." More than a year ago, they documented some 133,000 voters that were purged from the registration rolls in Hamilton County (Cincinnati) and Lucas County (Toledo) between 2000 and 2004. The 105,000 from Cincinnati and 28,000 from Toledo exceeded Bush's official alleged margin of victory---just under 119,000 votes out of some 5.6 million the Republican Secretary of State. J. Kenneth Blackwell, deemed worth counting. You can read a lot more about it at the following link. http://www.freepress.org/departments/display/19/2006/1832 The Washington Post reported some 35,000 voter whose registrations were challenged in Ohio in 2004. http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A55472-2004Oct22.html From what I've read, over 3 million votes were simply thrown out in that election. All forms of election fraud are of concern, but some are a lot more worrisome than others. Pat A. Vesely ;-)   Roberta McKnight Voting Rights Forum Participant Username: Mcknight Post Number: 2 Registered: 05-2006 Best of Black Box? N/A Votes: 0 (A keeper?) Posted on Thursday, May 25, 2006 - 6:14 am:        Thanks Pat, My interest in this issue began when I was not allowed to vote while living in Lee County, FL during the 2000 election. This had never happened before and I was furious. Though I called the Florida branch of the ACLU, CNN, and election board officials, no one seemed the least bit interested. This is when I realized something had gone terribly wrong with our electoral process and the results are history. When I moved to Florida in August, 2000, it struck me as strange that citizens are asked to declare party affiliation when they apply for a driver's license. I had declared as a democrat. Though I subsequently moved back to Virginia in 2002, I continue to question the legality of this practice in Florida and it seems that this is one way the vote was rigged in Florida. Roberta   Robert Sawdey Frequent Voting Rights Forum Participant Username: Rsawdey Post Number: 136 Registered: 01-2006 Best of Black Box? N/A Votes: 0 (A keeper?) Posted on Thursday, May 25, 2006 - 1:54 pm:        I think Florida is a state where you can register to vote at the SOS while getting your drivers license, so the party affiliation question would be part of the voters reg, not drivers license. Here in Michigan, we also must declare party affiliation in order to be able to vote in the primaries... don't want the opposing party voting in the primary to get candidates they find easy to beat. The mass disenfranchisment in Florida was done by Katherine Harris (now under investigation for corruption) by manipulating the centralized voter database... which makes me leary of the centralizations occuring in all states because of HAVA (which was written by another corrupt pol)

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