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Bev Harris
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Username: Admin
Post Number: 6167
Registered: 12-2004
Best of Black Box? 
Votes: 1 (A keeper?) | | Posted on Monday, April 9, 2007 - 8:11 pm: | 
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 Kathy Greenwell
Bullitt County, Kentucky |
Bev Harris
Board Administrator
Username: Admin
Post Number: 6028
Registered: 12-2004
Best of Black Box? 
Votes: 23 (A keeper?) | | Posted on Tuesday, March 27, 2007 - 6:29 pm: |
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"Watch your back," warned the voice on the phone.
"You know what can happen around here," said another man, paying a visit to her workplace. "I don't want to read about them finding you in a ditch."
For some people, elections are serious business. For some citizens, democratic elections are a serious matter too.
Ever since Nov. 2006, Kentucky's Kathy Greenwell has been trying to verify the election results, and like all citizens, she should have that right.
"I know I sound like a hillbilly," she says in a Bullitt County drawl. "I got a deep voice. I might sound country, but that don't mean they shouldn't pay attention to what I got to say."
Kathy took the time to add up all the numbers coming out of Bullitt County on Election Night during the 2006 general election. They made no sense. Nothing added up, and the story kept changing about what was going on. What she found illustrates the broken connection between elections and the citizenry.
Kathy had a good reason to be interested: Her husband Dave, now a police lieutenant for the town of Pioneer Village, was running for Bullitt County Sheriff. Sheriff races are always of great interest to the locals, and are a traditional target for election fraud. The sheriff controls contraband, like guns and drugs.
In Nov. 2006, it wasn't just the sheriff race that was contentious. Bullitt County had at least two tight house races. (1)
A mayoral candidate (Sherman Tinnell) and a candidate for sheriff (Donnie Tinnell) were members of the same family. Both won.
As is customary in Bullitt County, a candidate for clerk would later take custody over the audit records for his own election.
ELECTIONS ARE ABOUT A LOT MORE THAN PRESIDENTS
Kathy's husband, Dave Greenwell was running against Donnie Tinnell. He'd made a campaign promise to reopen a botched murder investigation. All you do is search for "Bullitt County" and "sheriff" and a lot more information shows up on that controversy:
In 1999, Dave Greenwell was the first deputy on the scene of the heartbreaking abduction of a teenage girl. Seventeen-year-old Jessica Dishon's parents had come home to find her car in the driveway, with her keys, purse, and cell phone still sitting in the car, along with one shoe. Jessica was nowhere to be found. Alarmed, Jessica's parents called the sheriff's office. Then-deputy Greenwell arrived, took photos, and sized up the situation as a possible abduction. Twice, Greenwell requested an investigator; both times the assigned official refused to come.(2)
This story illustrates that elections are absolutely NOT just about presidencies. Elections ultimately govern public safety. And as you'll soon see, Kathy Greenwell's research into this election turned up elections anomalies in nearly all the races in Bullitt County's 2006 general election.
In Bullitt County, Kentucky the sheriff, the prosecutor and the judge all hold elected positions.
Neither the sheriff nor the prosecutor did much to secure the Dishon crime scene. Greenwell called in the investigators; none came; yellow crime scene tape was reportedly put around the neighbor's car instead of Jessica's. During the 72 hours that the investigator was refusing to come to the scene, the forensic evidence was contaminated. At one point a reporter had sat in the front of the car to shoot a newscast. Onlookers touched the car. Greenwell had taken several photographs, which he submitted into evidence. Those photos disappeared, along with the notes written by another investigator (Jim Adams).(2)
Seventeen days after Jessica's abduction, her body was found beaten and apparently strangled in a location known as the Salt River Bottoms.(3) Not long afterward, that area was bulldozed and cleaned up. Apparently someone decided this was a good time to begin excavation for a new bridge.
Satellite photo - Greenwell Ford Road Bridge
link to photo: http://www.bbvdocs.org/KY/bridge.jpg
Three separate witnesses testified that they had seen Jessica Dishon with two young men in a black Camaro.(4) The young men were identified as "persons of interest" but were never charged. The items in the Camaro were never sent to the crime lab for testing. One of the young men has since died in a car accident.(5)
Instead, a man named "Bucky" Brooks whose IQ hovers around 70 was accused of the crime. During the year Bucky Brooks was held in prison, Dave Greenwell's crime scene photos disappeared, a videotaped statement by a witness was lost, and the original notes by investigator Jim Adams vanished.(2) The case against Bucky Brooks was dismissed after some illegal testimony wasn entered into the record.(4)
Crime investigations are supervised by elected officials.
Construction projects are authorized by elected officials.
The prosecutor holds an elected position.
Link to photo: http://www.bbvdocs.org/KY/bullit-elections.jpg
As the elections approached, Kathy's husband Dave decided Bullitt County might benefit from a different approach to law enforcement. He announced his intention to run for sheriff. He was fired the same day he announced it.
Greenwell sued for wrongful termination, on the grounds that any citizen has the right to run for office without getting fired; the sheriff at the time, Paul Parsley, testified that he was not about to pay a deputy who was running against him for office. The judge dismissed the case, saying there was no indication Greenwell had been fired for political reasons.(5)
With the Dishon murder sitting in the cold case files, Greenwell made a campaign promise to reopen the case, and also to put the brakes on the Bullitt County habit of staffing itself with family members of elected officials.
On Nov. 7, 2006, in a Bullitt County election that the press characterized as "mass confusion," Greenwell was defeated by Donnie Tinnell. (7)
Maybe the citizens of Bullitt County voted Donnie Tinnell into the sheriff's office. Maybe Sherman Tinnell was voted in as Shepherdsville mayor as well. What we do know for sure is that assorted family members of various players in the Bullitt County dramas have been hired and are sprinkled throughout the courthouse.
The problem is, no one can check to make sure ANYONE in Bullitt County was actually elected.
Shortly after the election, Kathy Greenwell called Black Box Voting.
"We first started joking a year ago, that something would be off," Kathy said. "Donnie Tinnell was running against my husband. Everyone was being told that Tinnell was going to be the new sheriff. Tinnell had already told them they weren't going to have a job when he came in. The current sheriff (Paul Parsley, who lost to Tinnell in the primary) had it as such a sure thing that a lot of the deputies quit months before the election. People who had years in quit."
Link to photo of Bullitt County Courthouse: http://www.bbvdocs.org/KY/courthouse.jpg
Election Night Nov. 7, 2006
"Paul Parsley's granddaughter was there. Every time they brought in a satchel of the tapes, in goes the granddaughter with two clerks to a filing room. Then they'd come back out and announce the results," says Kathy. "But when they gave someone a total Tuesday night, the first total they tried to make everybody believe that 6,000 people voted. They acted like it was the final count. People raised Cain, they went back and checked, then said it was 13,000 votes. Then a day or two later, it was 17,000 and now it's supposedly 20,000 votes. Each time they said it was the final. We were also told there were missing votes and they couldn't find them."
THE BULLITT COUNTY RECORDS HUNT
Black Box Voting suggested some documents for Kathy to request. While she did that, we filed public records requests all over Kentucky.
Black Box Voting got a good sampling of election-related records and responses from Boyle, Caldwell, Calloway, Carroll, Christian, Daviess, Franklin, Gallatin, Garrard, Grayson, Hardin, Henderson, Henry, Hickman, Hopkins, Jefferson, Laurel, Lawrence, Lewis, Meade, Menifee, Metcalf, Muhlenburg, Owen, Pulaski, Rockcastle, Trigg, Trimble, Warren and Woodford counties, but we never got a thing from Bullitt County.
Can you find a more vivid example for why citizens are right to be concerned about elections? If citizens can't get access to the records, we can't oversee our government!
But Kathy Greenwell is nothing if not persistent. She finally got copies of the voting machine results tapes, only to find out that about half of them weren't signed by the poll workers as required.
It gets more interesting. The results tapes that lack signatures correlate with the machines that had "special attention" from Harp Enterprises, the Kentucky subcontractor for Hart Intercivic. Harp employees had showed up the day after the election to correct "glitches."
And then it gets just plain odd: After calling County Clerk Kevin Mooney's attention to the fact that dozens of the results tapes lack signatures, Moonry "certified" them (even though he wasn't working there in 2006) and also gave Kathy copies of various pages of signatures (but not written on the results tapes). Mooney simply stuck copies of blank pages containing various signatures here and there within the results tape records he had "certified."
KENTUCKY FRIED ELECTIONS
In Kentucky, the same polling place typically features machines by two different manufacturers. In Bullitt County, older purchases of ELECTronic 1242 touch-screen machines from Danaher/Shoup/Guardian are combined with newer purchases of e-Slate paperless touch-screens by Hart Intercivic.
Bullitt County claims that nearly all of its poll workers signed the results tapes from the ELECTronic 1242s, and at the same time, nearly all the poll workers "forgot" to sign the results tapes from the e-Slate machines. Why would every poll worker in Bullitt County "forget" to sign results tapes only from one brand of machine?
In addition, Kathy noticed that while the ELECTronic 1242 results tapes all contained votes, some of the e-Slate results tapes had dozens (but not all) races with "zero" votes.
Here is a copy of the poll results tapes and other information from Bullitt County Kentucky for Nov. 7, 2006:
http://www.bbvdocs.org/KY/Bullitt-Nov06.pdf
(large - 22 394 KB)
And
http://www.bbvdocs.org/KY/KY-Bullitt-2006.pdf
(7,728 KB)
Kathy does not have access to the Internet. She's not been privy to the vast amount of information on how to audit elections. Still she persisted.
She took the "certified" copies of the polling place results tapes to a friend with a computer. Together they spent hours entering every single result into an Excel spreadsheet. There were no election integrity groups nearby, no moral support network. Together Kathy and her friend added up every one of the numbers on every one of the poll tapes. They compared them with the official results provided by Bullitt County, including the absentee votes.
They don't match.
Here is a pdf copy of the Excel spreadsheet Kathy and her friend labored over, showing that the totals don't match:
http://www.bbvdocs.org/KY/KATHY.PDF
So Kathy called Black Box Voting again, and she called the assistant secretary of state for Kentucky. But by the time Bullitt County gave her the records, no remedy under the law was available – even though the results don't match.
State officials told Kathy they don't know what they can do for her. They told her she had to file a complaint within 14 days.
That's not entirely true. It's true that the deadline for contesting elections has passed but the statute of limitations for fraud has not passed.
Kathy Greenwell has now expended hundreds of dollars for overpriced records missing their signatures which don't match the final tally, "certified" as accurate by a clerk that wasn't even working there in 2006.
And now she's getting threats.
Link to photo: Welcome to Bullitt County
http://www.bbvdocs.org/KY/welcome.jpg
WHAT HAPPENS NEXT?
Bullitt County Kentucky will have another election this coming May. If you live in Kentucky (or even in Cincinnati, which is nearby), now would be a good time to put together a small group of citizens to help Kathy keep an eye on Bullitt County elections.
It would help Kathy a lot if she could communicate cost effectively with others, through e-mail. If anyone in the Louisville or Cincinnati area could donate a computer that is Internet-capable, Kathy Greenwell would have a good home for it. If someone who is tech-savvy can visit to show Kathy how to use e-mail and the Web browser, Black Box Voting will contribute a year's worth of dial-up Internet access for her. (E-mail angels@blackboxvoting.org if you can help, and we'll make the introductions.)
NOW ABOUT THOSE THREATS
Because Kathy is involved in trying to ensure that local citizens are having their votes counted properly, including those of minority voters, any acts of intimidation may fall under the Voting Rights Act of 1965, which would put prosecution under the auspices of the US Dept. of Justice.
If anything at all happen to Kathy Greenwell, we need to make sure we are just as persistent as Kathy is. Together with Ohio and Kentucky election integrity activists, we will urge immediate action by the state attorney general's office and/or the US Dept. of Justice.
BULLITT COUNTY IS BEAUTIFUL IN MAY -- Right around election time.
Link to image: Kentucky map with Bullitt County
http://www.bbvdocs.org/KY/ky-map.jpg
If a posse of friendly citizens would like to head over to Bullitt County to watch for Kentucky fried elections, this year might be a good time to do so.
Bullitt County – 20 miles south of Louisville, about an hour from Cincinnati: http://www.travelbullitt.org/
For a story on Kentucky fried elections in another location, click here: http://www.bbvforums.org/forums/messages/1954/32958.html
(1) The Lexington Herald-Leader - Thin margins could prompt reviews of 4 legislative races, By Ryan Alessi And Jack Brammer; Nov. 9, 2006
(2) Courier-Journal Louisville, KY - Dishon investigation was rocky from start, trial shows, by Jason Riley; Feb. 3, 2003
(3) Courier-Journal Louisville, KY -
Brooks' attorney says investigators ignored other suspects in Dishon slaying, by Jason Riley; Jan. 24 2003
(4) The Courier-Journal Louisville, KY
- Charges dismissed in Dishon slaying, by Brian Moore and Jason Riley; Sept. 6, 2003
(5) The Courier-Journal Louisville, KY
- W. Ky. crash kills man with linked to Dishon case, by Brandy Warren; Apr. 6, 2006
(6) The Courier-Journal Louisville, KY
- Suit against ex-Bullitt sheriff dismissed, by Brandy Warren; Jan. 26, 2007
(7) The Courier-Journal Louisville, KY - BULLITT COUNTY; Vote machine problems create 'mass confusion', by Melissa Gagliardi and Brandy Warren; Nov. 8, 2006
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Catherine Ansbro
Frequent Voting Rights Forum Participant
Username: Catherine_a
Post Number: 3762
Registered: 12-2004
Best of Black Box? N/A
Votes: 0 (A keeper?) | | Posted on Wednesday, March 28, 2007 - 1:17 am: |
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Extraordinary article. Kathy Greenwell is doing remarkable work.
Thanks for pointing out so vividly why some of the reasons why local elections matter.
(P.S. The link to the Excel spreadsheet doesn't work. I'd love to see the discrepancies in the election numbers.)
(from admin: Fixed link, thanks) |
Bev Harris
Board Administrator
Username: Admin
Post Number: 6029
Registered: 12-2004
Best of Black Box?
Votes: 1 (A keeper?) | | Posted on Wednesday, March 28, 2007 - 6:48 am: |
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I meant to get some of the articles from the footnotes posted as well. This one, at least, sheds more light on the election night mess:
(7) The Courier-Journal Louisville, KY - BULLITT COUNTY; Vote machine problems create 'mass confusion', by Melissa Gagliardi and Brandy Warren; Nov. 8, 2006
quote:
Winners unclear amid irregularities
Victory celebrations were on hold and candidates were frustrated when Bullitt County election results still were not available late last night.
At about 11 p.m., the Bullitt County Clerk's office said official results couldn't be released because of a problem with machine counts.
The vote totals counted at the precincts did not match the totals at the election office, said Stacy Warner, chief deputy with the Bullitt County Clerk's office.
Sheriff Paul Parsley said every vote would be counted by hand today and official results would be released in the afternoon.
Tina Drury, a voting machine technician with the county clerk's office, said the county used two different voting machines, and the computer that reads the cartridges from the machines didn't total all the votes.
The problems created what one candidate called "mass confusion."
Republican Scott Ellis, candidate for Shepherdsville mayor, said he didn't know whether to celebrate or concede.
"There are so many discrepancies it's not even funny. I don't know what to do," he said, adding that friends at the courthouse relayed numbers showing 76 people had voted for the mayor, but 369 had voted for the City Council candidates.
Unofficial numbers had his opponent Sherman Tinnell ahead with 74 percent of the votes, but Ellis said he did not trust those figures.
"It's strange. This needs investigating," Ellis said.
At 10:30 p.m., Republican judge-executive candidate Melanie Roberts said she and her supporters were packing up for the night. They'd been awaiting election results since 5 p.m. in the gymnasium at First Baptist Church in Shepherdsville.
Roberts said some of her supporters will be at the courthouse in the morning to wait and find out if she won. Roberts has to teach at Cedar Grove Elementary and won't be able to go.
"This is disappointing. I've been waiting over one year to find out what the outcome would be and now to wait until the next morning, it's disappointing," she said.
Larry Porter, candidate for Mount Washington mayor, originally was told he'd lost by 76 votes, but then got a call that he'd won.
He said it's frustrating not knowing the results.
"I don't know if there's a mix up or what ... I'll just have to wait and see," he said.
Parsley, who was announcing the results over a loud speaker, said later that he hopes he didn't leave any candidates with the "wrong perception, somebody leaving thinking they won."
"I wish we could do better, Parsley said, "but we're doing the best we can."
The unofficial results that Bullitt released also came late in the evening because of a large voter turnout, estimated at 45 percent, Drury said.
At 6 p.m., there were lines at five precincts with more than 200 people in each , she said, adding that election official
officials did not receive the last precinct ballots until 9:30 p.m.
Joetta Bass Calhoun said she had heard she'd won the Mount Washington mayor's race by 100 votes, but late in the evening she heard her opponent Larry Porter was ahead in the race.
She said she'd heard two different kinds of voting machines were being used, some of which people may not have been familiar with, and that may have contributed to the confusion.
"I'm not sure how it could happen," she said, adding that she planned to continue celebrating the victory she had thought she had in the bag.
The unofficial results showed school board candidate Douglas Walls as the winner in District 4.
"I don't want to say anything right now," Walls said. "It's unfair to my opponent. There's something seriously wrong that needs to be addressed with the election results."
“There are so many discrepancies it's not even funny."
SCOTT ELLIS, Republican candidate for Shepherdsville mayor: "There's something seriously wrong that needs to be addressed."
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theresa joan hardesty
Voting Rights Forum Participant
Username: Friendofkathy
Post Number: 1
Registered: 03-2007
Best of Black Box? N/A
Votes: 0 (A keeper?) | | Posted on Wednesday, March 28, 2007 - 9:52 am: |
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the spreadsheet from excel is not working. this would be great information. could you check on this? there are other links not working also.
(from admin): link is now fixed -- wow, I had forgotten to upload some pics -- all links are now fixed, thanks -- and welcome to Black Box Voting! |
Bev Harris
Board Administrator
Username: Admin
Post Number: 6030
Registered: 12-2004
Best of Black Box? N/A
Votes: 0 (A keeper?) | | Posted on Wednesday, March 28, 2007 - 10:19 am: |
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Catherine and Theresa Joan,
Thanks for catching that. The link now works (I had it uploaded as pdf instead of PDF, but changed the name on the upload, so the original link in the article is now fixed)
Also, I thought it might be useful to have the spreadsheet in Excel format for those who might want to do some calculations in it.
Here is the link to the file in Excel:
http://www.bbvdocs.org/KY/KATHY.XLS
In the poll tape file (the big one), the ELECTronic 1242 poll tapes have kind of a
COURIER font
and the e-Slate poll tapes have a
smaller font like arial or helvetica
You'll see that both types of machines are in the same polling places. |
Jed Vankrieken
Voting Rights Forum Participant
Username: Piggy
Post Number: 12
Registered: 11-2006
Best of Black Box? N/A
Votes: 0 (A keeper?) | | Posted on Wednesday, March 28, 2007 - 5:24 pm: |
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Disturbing story. |
Brant Lamb
Frequent Voting Rights Forum Participant
Username: Brantl
Post Number: 1272
Registered: 01-2005
Best of Black Box? N/A
Votes: 0 (A keeper?) | | Posted on Thursday, March 29, 2007 - 4:56 am: |
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This is why I call the unrecorded ballots (or the honest results, take your pick) in an election a 'staked goat'; we sometimes know that the goat's been injured or that the goat is actually dead. But we often don't know what the uninjured goat should have looked like, and sometimes we don't know for a fact whether the goat is injured or even dead (Ohio) until well after the decisions that were based on the goat being alive and well, have long since been made and are irreversible.
Once someone's screwed up an anonymous ballot election, how can it be repaired? |
Tim Gooch
Voting Rights Forum Participant
Username: Timthefoolman
Post Number: 62
Registered: 11-2005
Best of Black Box? N/A
Votes: 0 (A keeper?) | | Posted on Thursday, March 29, 2007 - 5:44 am: |
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Bev,
Not too long ago, I mentioned concerns about the things that go on in rural counties, specifically with regard to you writing:
"... the most corrupt areas will attract the most scrutiny"
I suggested that, in KY, the most corrupt areas would NOT attract the most scrutiny, but my opinion was dismissed rather quickly.
This story suggests behaviors that, in my experience, are pretty tame. Also, keep in mind that in many parts of the state, Bullitt County is NOT considered rural, because of its proximity to Louisville and Jefferson County. Bullitt County is a "best case scenario" in terms of being rural enough for weird stuff to happen, but close enough to an urban center to have commuter residents asking lots of questions.
Unfortunately, I suspect that this is one of the few times that unscrupulous behavior in my state is going to see the light of day. That was my concern when I posted my comment, and it remains my concern today.
I may not audit elections much, but I've lived here all my life. I wish this surprised me, but it doesn't. |
Bev Harris
Board Administrator
Username: Admin
Post Number: 6035
Registered: 12-2004
Best of Black Box? N/A
Votes: 0 (A keeper?) | | Posted on Thursday, March 29, 2007 - 5:46 am: |
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Brant, I think it's fair to say that Bullitt County, Kentucky is the last place you'd want to do away with the anonymous ballot! In fact, Bullitt County isn't the only place with an established power structure built around one or two families.
Why should a voter have to worry about threats and murder for voting the "wrong" way?
On the positive side: Black Box Voting was contacted by a generous individual last night, who has asked to remain anonymous, who has volunteered to donate a computer to Kathy Greenwell to help get her wired in to other citizens who are on the front lines! |
Bev Harris
Board Administrator
Username: Admin
Post Number: 6036
Registered: 12-2004
Best of Black Box? N/A
Votes: 0 (A keeper?) | | Posted on Thursday, March 29, 2007 - 6:07 am: |
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Tim, I didn't realize you are from Kentucky. Thank you for your insights -- but I still don't actually agree that the troubled areas won't tend to attract citizen oversight. The key is to have ways to inform the citizenry.
There are two things that have made it more challenging in Kentucky. One is that many of the excellent citizens that have been working on this do not have computers and are not familiar with using e-mail, listservs and the Web to connect with each other. That's going to change. That relates to the second obstacle, which is the intimidation factor.
As we can see, Kathy Greenwell refused to be intimidated and, even more important, refused to give up. It helps to build a number of interested citizens who can offer support, keep the ball rolling, and share skills and strategy. I believe that is exactly what's going to happen in Kentucky.
I also think it's inaccurate to imply that it requires an urban center to have commuter residents asking lots of questions. Kathy Greenwell is not a "commuter resident" and the Greenwell family was one of the first three families to settle in Bullitt County. They literally chopped their way in, back in the day.
It is the ordinary citizens who will bring America back to democratic elections. Or, as I like to say, the extraordinary citizens.
Glenda Young, from Whitley County Kentucky is another example of a citizen who rises to the occasion. She and several other Whitley County citizens have taken legal action -- she contacted Black Box Voting last year, spoke several times with Kathleen, then Kathleen prevailed on attorney Paul Lehto to go to Whitley County and offer his expertise. The Whitley County citizens are continuing to build strength for citizen oversight actions, and one of the next things Black Box Voting will do is to make introductions between the Whitley citizens and the Greenwells.
It STARTS and CONTINUES with the local citizens. |
Tim Gooch
Voting Rights Forum Participant
Username: Timthefoolman
Post Number: 63
Registered: 11-2005
Best of Black Box? N/A
Votes: 0 (A keeper?) | | Posted on Thursday, March 29, 2007 - 6:25 am: |
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Bev,
For my state's sake, I hope you're right and sincerely hope that I'm wrong. It stinks for me to have such low expectations, but the "good ol' boy" network is so firmly entrenched, and there are so many "company towns," that I am pessimistic.
As I've said elsewhere, regardless of my feelings about technology advances, the ultimate storage medium for the voter's selection needs to be sheets of paper. To the extent that this is the case (and not the "memory card shuffle"), we at least have a reasonable chance of detecting fraud, assuming enough people are interested in doing so. This particular case highlights such issues, perhaps more effectively than any theoretical debate. |
Bev Harris
Board Administrator
Username: Admin
Post Number: 6038
Registered: 12-2004
Best of Black Box?
Votes: 2 (A keeper?) | | Posted on Thursday, March 29, 2007 - 7:00 am: |
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Well Tim, I certainly think you ARE right about the level of corruption in Kentucky. Another Kentucky Fried Election:
The Lexington Herald Leader - Mar. 29 2007
BATH OFFICIAL TO ASK FOR NEW TRIAL
Former Bath County [Kentucky] Judge-Executive Walter Shrout plans to ask a federal judge for a new trial. Earlier this month, a Lexington federal jury convicted Shrout on three counts related to vote-buying during the May 2006 primary. Shrout resigned from the county's top position after his conviction; Gov. Ernie Fletcher has not yet named a replacement. In court documents filed last week, Shrout's lawyers say some evidence should not have been admitted during the trial and that prosecutors made reference to Shrout not putting on a defense or testifying on his own behalf, which the defense says is improper. Shrout's lawyers are asking for an extension to file a motion to ask for a new trial. Shrout is one of 12 Bath County residents charged in connection to what residents and prosecutors called widespread vote-buying during the absentee voting period for the May primary. |
Catherine Ansbro
Frequent Voting Rights Forum Participant
Username: Catherine_a
Post Number: 3766
Registered: 12-2004
Best of Black Box? N/A
Votes: 0 (A keeper?) | | Posted on Thursday, March 29, 2007 - 7:10 am: |
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Tim,
If your point is that, historically, the most corrupt areas have not necessarily attracted the most scrutiny, you may well be right.
Perhaps Bev's point is that from her experience, once citizens in such areas get some information (crucial first step) they are often highly motivated and willing to scrutinize, investigate and take action. They know all is not well in their local area and they want to put things right, once they have some idea how to go about it. |
Bev Harris
Board Administrator
Username: Admin
Post Number: 6039
Registered: 12-2004
Best of Black Box?
Votes: 2 (A keeper?) | | Posted on Thursday, March 29, 2007 - 7:21 am: |
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For any citizens interested in traveling to the very scenic state of Kentucky in May, there are many election events to observe and report about. For guidance on observing voting machine testing, election day, vote tabulation, the canvass, requesting public records etc, see the Black Box Voting Citizen's Tool Kit:
http://www.blackboxvoting.org/toolkit.html
Here is a calendar of events relevant to citizen oversight for the May election in Kentucky:
(Source: Kentucky Secretary of State Web site)
4/23 to 5/17
County clerks to test automatic tabulating equipment (not more than 30 nor less than 5 days prior to election day)
KRS 117.389
5/14
Last day for county boards of election to give written notice of appointment to precinct officers (10 days before primary)
KRS 117.045(7)
[Which means the roster of precinct officers is subject to public records requests on 5/14]
5/15
Last day for state board of elections to furnish county clerks with lists of registered voters (5 days before primary)
KRS 117.025(3)(b)
5/17
Last day for clerks to notify county boards of elections that machines are ready for use (Thursday before election)
KRS 117.165(1)
5/17
Last day for county clerks to publish copy of ballot (not less than 3 days before primary)
KRS 424.290(1)
5/17
Last day for county board of elections to publish notice of time when the machines are to be examined by the board (not less than 24 hours before examination)
KRS 117.265(1)
5/18
Last day for county boards of elections to examine machines (Friday before primary)
KRS 117.165(1)
5/22
Primary Election Day (first Tuesday after third Monday in May)
Polls open 6 a.m. to 6 p.m.
County boards of elections to be in session all day
Mail-in absentee ballots must be received by clerk before 6 p.m.
County boards of elections to meet at clerk’s office at 10 a.m. to count absentee ballots
KRS 118.025(3)
KRS 118.035(1)
KRS 117.035(4)
KRS 117.086(1)
KRS 117.087(3)
5/23 through 6/1
Voting machines to be locked (10 days following primary)
KRS 117.295(1)
5/25
Last day for precinct sheriffs to file report (3 days after primary)
KRS 117.355(1)
5/29 4 p.m.
Deadline to request recanvass (before 4 p.m. on Tuesday after primary)
KRS 117.305(1)
5/31 9 a.m.
County boards of elections shall conduct any requested recanvass (at 9 a.m. on Thursday after deadline to request a recanvass, and not sooner)
KRS 117.305(1)
6/1
Last day for county boards of elections to file post-election reports to the State Board of Elections and county Grand Jury (10 days after primary)
KRS 117.355(2)
6/1
Last day to file petition to contest election (10 days after primary)
KRS 120.055
6/1
Last day to file petition for recount (10 days after primary)
KRS 120.095(1)
6/11
Last day for state board of elections to meet to tabulate votes and make out certificates of election (third Monday after election)
KRS 118.425(4)
6/21
Last day for county clerks to send precinct rosters and recapitulation sheets to State Board of Elections (30 days after any primary or general election)
Note - at the time of this posting, the Kentucky Secretary of State's Web page seems to be down. I pulled the above schedule off the cache file. |
Tim Gooch
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Username: Timthefoolman
Post Number: 64
Registered: 11-2005
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Catherine,
I hope my previous comment didn't appear to be a slam on Bev's experience, which is, no question, much deeper than my own in terms of auditing and monitoring elections. I wasn't trying to be snarky, and hope it didn't sound that way.
My point was/is that, the most corrupt areas, specifically in relatively rural states, are going to be the most difficult for outsiders to penetrate, and areas least likely for insiders to talk, for reasons of safety. People like Kathy Greenwell are outstanding examples of citizens sticking to their guns, but when push comes to shove, a lot of folks are going to put the continued safety of their family first, and their democratic ideals second.
Again, that's just my perspective as a resident of the state, but clearly "a city boy," and not to be trusted (in rural areas). My fear is that it's much worse than I realize.  |
Tim Gooch
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Username: Timthefoolman
Post Number: 65
Registered: 11-2005
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Bev,
You missed pointing out that the first Saturday in May is the KY Derby. Two weeks before that is "Thunder Over Louisville" (the largest regular fireworks display in North America).
Maybe we need some new tourism slogans.
"Come for the fireworks over the river, stay for the fireworks in the County Clerk offices."
Or maybe...
"Come see the most exciting two minutes in sports, and stay for the REAL horse races later in May." |
HARRY DAVID GREENWELL
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Username: Harry
Post Number: 1
Registered: 03-2007
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KATHY GREENWELL is my wife and im very proud of all the hard work she is doing to insure that future elections in Bullitt county are conducted in a more professional manner.The election process is sacred to me I am a army veteran and a law enforcement veteran of more than 17 years.I Want to make sure that every one understands that we are not accusing any one person of any wrong doing.We are simply stating that we have severe problems with the way our elections are being conducted in our county.Kathy has ask for help from every department on every level from local to the state level and no one as of yet has taken any action or showed any concern.I do hope if any puplic official has the nerve or the decency to investigate our problems out here and criminal acts are found the people responsible will be given a fAIR trial and then hung.Please forgive my spelling and warped humor but I to just as my wife am a ky. hillbilly and just dont know any better.And I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THANK YOU TO BLACK BOX VOTING AND BEV HARRIS and thanks to all of you guys that have written in with youre support it gives hope where some times it seems as if nobody cares.It truely shows how mutch you all love america.And always remember no matter how bad or messed up our system is America will always be worth fighting for . Thanks Lieutenant HARRY D GREENWELL |
Bev Harris
Board Administrator
Username: Admin
Post Number: 6040
Registered: 12-2004
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Mr. Greenwell,
It is an honor to see you post here. We have now lined up a computer for Kathy. Another Black Box Voting participant has ascertained that there is no high speed connectivity, most likely, around where you live. That leaves dial-up, but that's fine for e-mail!
There is another group of citizens in Whitley County, Kentucky and I'm going to connect you up with them. A wonderful and luminous activist in Sarasota Florida, Kindra Muntz, who is somewhat famous for her successful effort to get a paper ballot initiative on the ballot (it won!), wrote me to let me know she's passed along information to some election integrity people with Kentucky relationships.
I happen to know from our Web statistics that the state of Kentucky has visited this story seven times in 24 hours, as well as four other states and the US House of Representatives.
I spoke with Kathy today about another situation she will be following up with, that we won't go into here.
There is a citizen in Ohio who has volunteered to launch a nationwide petition to urge the state of Kentucky to launch an investigation, and there are many other possible avenues that could be followed. But I want to avoid making any more of a circus out of things than is absolutely necessary, so we'll hold off on that, for now.
I have identified 21 other Kentucky counties that had problems last November, and the very best thing that can happen for the long term is for the citizenry to become more and more informed, and to meet each other.
So for starters, my priority is to get you connected with the others in Kentucky and Ohio (and I have also talked to one of the best of the best in Riverside, Art Cassel, and one of Wisconsin's finest, John Washburn, and an attorney in election rights, Paul Lehto and several others about you and Kathy).
And of course, continue to watch your back, and report weird things, including the latest harassment, to the individual mentioned between Kathy and I this morning on the phone.
Good things will happen, but we also need to put the citizen connections in place to prepare for the long haul.
Give Kathy a hug for us.
Bev |
Catherine Ansbro
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Username: Catherine_a
Post Number: 3767
Registered: 12-2004
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Tim,
Your comments weren't snarky. You are right about outsiders in rural areas, and you are right about people in difficult environments often choosing to lay low and protect their families.
This is where Bev's comment above has much wisdom:
quote:. . . the very best thing that can happen for the long term is for the citizenry to become more and more informed, and to meet each other.
There is strength in information and in numbers. Even two people can provide moral support and enough safety to give one of them the courage to take action. (Welcome Harry and I'm sure you've been just such a support for your wife Kathy.) With BBV helping KY/OH folks to get to know one another and to have contact with people elsewhere who have experienced similar situations, things can start to happen to create new possibilities. Even in rural areas. |
HARRY DAVID GREENWELL
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Username: Harry
Post Number: 2
Registered: 03-2007
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Bev just in the last few hours you would be amazed at all the rumors that are spinning around Bullitt co.The politicians and a certain few elected officials are allready attempting to put a spin on things.Since so many people from our county are now going to this web page I think it would be a perfect time to clear up a rumor or two before they get going very good.There has allready been attempts to make this a democrat-republican issue and its not,it is a issue of the people of Bullitt co.Another rumor I was told about is Kathy and myself are only angry because we lost the election.I had to laugh about that one.The reason I had to laugh is in the beginning I knew my chances were not good for winning the election for sheriff and after sheriff Parsley fired me I felt as if I had no chance at all ,however for me it wasn't about winning it was about standing up for what I believe in and wanting to make Bullitt Co. a better and safer place for my children and for the citizens of Bullitt co.Kathy and me had no money after I was fired, times were really hard for the next few months we nearly lost our home,food,electric and all the basic day to day needs became a struggle. Something that hurt more than anything was the same police officers and deputy sheriffs that I had worked with for so many years and I had put myself in harms way for, would turn their backs to me out of fear from the past administration and fear of what would be our present administration of today .For the first time in my life I felt beaten and suicidal,I had no income, I had no medical insurance for Kathy and she has a crippling bone disease. I had no one to talk to and nowhere else to go and I found myself in the middle of my field that I was plowing on my knees and in tears asking my God to forgive me for those thoughts and to give me the strenth and the wisdom to carry on. My prayers were answered I found my strenth that day and my courage to continue.
And Im proud to say Kathy and me took only 2800.00 dollars and only her and my self knocking on doors and nearly defeated the powers that be.The oposition spent thousands and thousands of dollars and had a army helping him to campaign.WE should place our highest values on the act of running for public office.FREE SPEECH means absolutely nothing if there are no individuals to put their money where their mouths are,and to attempt to vindicate their ideas by action.And running for office is a waste of time if our votes can't be tabulated correctly and our election officals ignore the crys of its people and fail to enforce our election laws.
thanks Dave greenwell |
Bev Harris
Board Administrator
Username: Admin
Post Number: 6045
Registered: 12-2004
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Dave,
It can be so very difficult sometimes just to stand up for what you believe in. And when times get really tough, especially publicly with situations like a wrongful termination, as you went through, the most painful thing is always the people. But a hidden blessing is that it is revealed who your friends really are. And that's something you never forget.
One of the things you told me that I wanted to put in the story was the part about you and Kathy spending just $2800 on your campaign. I suppose it will be another month or two before the final figures come out, but it would be interesting to see how much money you were going up against.
Win or lose, you have a role to play, and sometimes putting up a fight for fairness, on behalf of other citizens and our kids, can act as a catalyst that triggers a lot more changes.
My pastor once told me, when I was going through a difficult patch, that no matter what people say or who has your back here, the Almighty sees, knows, and "gets it."
And that's a good thing, because getting votes counted where we can see them and getting access to the information we ask for about elections is going to take more than a minute, and we'll need more than a few more prayers to get there.
But hey, I hear that your County Clerk found some more votes today! Maybe he took lessons from Dean Logan, who used to run elections in my county. In 2004, Dean Logan "found" more ballots during the governor's recount not once, not twice, not three times, but FOUR times.
I'll be interested to hear about the newly found Bullitt County poll tapes. |
Bev Harris
Board Administrator
Username: Admin
Post Number: 6050
Registered: 12-2004
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Brant, your brief comment needs to go into a different thread, so I deleted it. It attempts to deflect this discussion into a discussion of whether we should have an anonymous ballot or not, which is an appropriate topic for Black Box Voting discussions but not for this thread. I recommend re-posting your point in General Discussion. |
V. Kurt Bellman
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Username: Formerelecdir
Post Number: 873
Registered: 04-2006
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Bev, Kathy, Harry,
If I can be of any help with authenticating anything from a 1242 machine, let me know. I am pretty darned near as close to an "expert" on those as you're likely to find, not presently beholden to a jurisdiction. |
Bev Harris
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Username: Admin
Post Number: 6051
Registered: 12-2004
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Kurt, thanks for that. For those reading this, Kurt was an elections official in Pennsylvania. I thought that was the machine you'd used, Kurt. I'm wondering: How long a drive is it from your location in Pennsylvania to the Louisville Kentucky area? This is a hare-brained idea and probably won't come to fruition, but I had the wild concept of getting you, Kurt, and John Washburn from Wisconsin over to Bullitt County to observe the preparation and/or testing of the machines in the upcoming election. |
V. Kurt Bellman
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Username: Formerelecdir
Post Number: 874
Registered: 04-2006
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Votes: 0 (A keeper?) | | Posted on Friday, March 30, 2007 - 10:33 am: |
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Bev,
I was already wondering to myself if this was the year to make my pilgrimage to the Kentucky Derby. Another "do before you die" to cross off the list. 
If I can combine another reason to do this, I'm game. A "one reason" trip is hard to justify. Killing "two stirds with one bone" is another matter. |
V. Kurt Bellman
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Username: Formerelecdir
Post Number: 875
Registered: 04-2006
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To answer your question, it's not much further than the Indy 500 is, and I did that one in 2005. |
Catherine Ansbro
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Username: Catherine_a
Post Number: 3772
Registered: 12-2004
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It would be awesome if Kurt & John W. could shed some light on KY elections.
Go team! |
irene brooks
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Username: Irene
Post Number: 1
Registered: 04-2007
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dear bev harris,
i have read your article about dave and kathy greenwell i am glad they are getting the help they deserve.I know mr.greenwell very well he testified at my husband's (Bucky brooks)trial he was the only one that believed in my husband's innocence.Like kathy i stood beside my husband because i believed he was getting the shaft and like kathy i had to put up with threats and cold hard stares from people that once was called friends or neighbors.there was times i wanted to just take all the sleeping pills i had in the medicine cabinet,because at that point i had lost everything my job,my home,my job,and my children.i had no friends because of what i believed in.it was the first day i met mr.greenwell was the first day he testified at my husband's trial i had at that time thought all cops was crooked until dave taught me there was always one good cop.I was so shocked when he didn't get to be sherriff.i guess bullitt county doesn't want someone ohonest.and someone that will be willing to go against his fellow lawmen as to tell the truth.after that day he testified it was later printed in the newspaper that he was being investigated for his missing notes.i wish i knew what happened to the clipping i would give dave and kathy a copy of it but since i moved back from louisville alot of my stuff got lost.i just want to say to dave and kathy if me or my husband can help in any way let us know.it is alright they have our phone number from the registration. |
HARRY DAVID GREENWELL
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Username: Harry
Post Number: 3
Registered: 03-2007
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Thanks to the Brooks family for the faith you have shown in me.One day the truth will be known and and the healing can start in everyones life that is involved.And just a correction on a fact that you wrote about I never lost any notes or evidence,and Iwas never investigated for any thing ever.One point of interest to the readers and to the Brooks family and something I find to be amazing is the fact that I have never been interviewed by any law inforcement agency about the Jessica Dishon murder and AS Bev mentioned earlyer I was the first deputy on the scene and took the missing person report. |
Bev Harris
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Username: Admin
Post Number: 6165
Registered: 12-2004
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For Irene Brooks,
Thank you so much for contributing your insights and experiences. What I hope people can learn from this is that our elections process is about so much more than just whether a particular party controls congress, or who wins the presidency.
Those who hold office -- prosecutors, sheriffs, judges, quite literally affect LIVES, in a very direct way.
Dave, Kathy, and Irene show how difficult life can become, oftentimes based on WHICH PEOPLE ARE ELECTED TO OFFICE. I appreciate Kathy's ongoing brilliant fight to shine sunlight on elections in Bullitt County, and I very much appreciate Dave and Irene's sharing your personal experiences with us. |
Bev Harris
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Username: Admin
Post Number: 6186
Registered: 12-2004
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Dishon case reopened:
New investigator hired Dishon case
01:03 PM EDT on Thursday, April 12, 2007
She was found slain nearly eight years ago. Now, a former Louisville police officer will head up the case of Jessica Dishon.
And today, residents in Bullitt County are talking about this latest twist in this notorious homicide case.
I talked with Jessica’s mother Edna Thursday morning. She couldn't talk on camera, but says she is very happy with sheriff's department's decision to hire a new investigator.
They've hired former Louisville Metro Police Officer Larry Carroll to investigate Dishon’s slaying. The department hired him to help its workload as new cases arrive.
Dishon was killed in September of 1999. Police say she was dragged from the seat of her car in her driveway, and two-and-a-half weeks later her body was found in the bottom of the Salt River.
Murder charges were dropped in 2003 against David "Bucky" Brooks and now the city of Shepherdsville hopes a new investigator can find out just who committed this crime.
Police believe Dishon was beaten and strangled. Edna Dishon says she hasn't talked to the new investigator but has spoken with Bullitt County Sheriff Donnie Tinnell, and he assured her of Carroll's ability.
Experienced cold case investigator to take fresh look at Dishon case
April 12, 2007 08:07 AM PDT
New investigator heading up Dishon case
http://www.wave3.com/Global/story.asp?S=6360743&nav=0RZF
(SHEPHERDSVILLE, Ky.) -- It's the case that continues to haunt many in Kentuckiana: the murder of 17-year-old Jessica Dishon. Charges and suspects have come and gone, but the case has never been solved. Now the Bullitt County Sheriff has hired a new investigator in the hopes of bringing the family some closure. WAVE 3 Investigator Connie Leonard has the story.
News of a new investigator brings a glimmer of hope to Jessica's parents, Mike and Edna Dishon, who, after nearly eight years, still have no answers in their daughter's death. The teen was found beaten, strangled and dumped in the woods a few miles from her home in September of 1999, 17 days after she was apparently abducted from the driveway of her home as she was getting in her car to drive to school.
The Dishons say they've suffered years of disappointment, including what they believe was a bungled investigation from the beginning.
Mike says "Jessica's car was sitting out there, you know, anybody with common sense knows if you're going to search a car, you have to wear gloves!"
The Dishon's are thankful new Bullitt County Sheriff Donnie Tinnell has hired former LMPD homicide detective Larry Carroll. "Anything he wants us to do, we'll help him," Mike said. "I have files in here so if he needs to look through our files, fine."
"We're excited and we're hopeful that maybe they can figure out who done it," Edna said.
Carroll, a respected and experienced retired cold case investigator, is anxious to give the complicated case a fresh set of eyes. "It would only serve the family of Jessica Dishon if this could be solved," he said.
Carroll has a difficult task in front of him. In 2003, the Commonwealth dismissed kidnapping and murder charges against the prime suspect, David "Bucky" Brooks after a mistrial. There was no retrial, due to a lack of evidence.
Then, in April 2006, a person of interest in the case, Jason Dunsford, was killed in a car crash. But Sheriff Tinnell believes the case deserves another look, for the sake of the community and Jessica's family. So he found money in the budget, and after talking with other homicide detectives, he knew he had the right man for the job.
"Larry Carroll's name was the first one to come up," Tinnell said. "He's an excellent investigator and he knows what he's doing."
Carroll, a deputy coroner in Jefferson County will work part time on the case.
Edna says any time devoted to their daughter is appreciated. "The hole will always be there but, it will give me some sense of relief knowing that maybe she can rest now."
The Sheriff says he looked outside the department for the special investigator because his current detectives already have so many new cases, they can hardly keep up.
Carroll will also take a look at some other unsolved cases in Bullitt County, but his first priority will be to find out what happened to Jessica Dishon.
Former Louisville officer hired to work Dishon case
10:50 AM EDT on Thursday, April 12, 2007
http://www.whas11.com/news/local/stories/041307whasmjdLocalDishonCase.a54b90.htm l
A former Louisville police officer has been hired to investigate the murder of Jessica Dishon in Bullitt County.
Seventeen-year-old Jessica Dishon disappeared from Shepherdsville in 1999. Her body was found about seven miles from her home in an area known as Salt River Bottoms. Someone had beaten and strangled her.
Larry Carroll, a former police officer is now taking over the Dishon case. He will work other cases, but the Dishon case is his priority.
Kidnapping and murder chargers were dismissed against David "Bucky" Brooks in September 2003 due to lack of evidence.
Jessica Dishon murder case revived
08:51 AM EDT on Thursday, April 12, 2007
http://www.whas11.com/news/local/stories/041207whasrtLocalDishonCase.38d84b.html
SHEPHERDSVILLE, Ky. (AP) -- Bullitt County Sheriff Donnie Tinnell has hired a retired homicide detective from Louisville to find the killer of Jessica Dishon.
The Mount Washington resident was 17 when she was kidnapped and murdered eight years ago. Her neighbor, David "Bucky" Brooks was charged in 2001, but the case ended in a mistrial in 2003, and the charges against him were dropped.
The new detective is from Mount Washington. Tinnell says because of new cases, his detectives don’t have time to focus on older ones. While the Dishon case is Carroll’s current focus, Tinnell says he also will review other cold cases.
From BBV admin: They may try to go after Bucky Brooks again, on the theory that double jeopardy does not attach since it was a mistrial. Have been informed now by two sources in Bullitt county that one or both of the young men in the black Camaro who were not investigated were nephews of Sheriff Paul Parsley, who presided over the investigation. I have not had the opportunity to get the paperwork on that. |
Bev Harris
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Username: Admin
Post Number: 6187
Registered: 12-2004
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Updates:
Bullitt County Clerk Kevin Mooney found a new poll tape, which he says he did not provide earlier because the machine ran out of paper. It is signed by former sheriff Paul Parsley.
As you'll recall, one of the elections issues is that the central tabulation results don't match the poll tape & absentee results when they are totalled. With the newly found tape, Kathy Greenwell's husband's race now matches.
The other races still do not match. |
Bev Harris
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Username: Admin
Post Number: 6188
Registered: 12-2004
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More updates:
Black Box Voting arranged for elections lawyer Paul Lehto, who was going to be in Kentucky to meet with Whitley County citizens, to take Kathy Greenwell to the meeting so she could become acquainted with some other Kentuckians who are experiencing elections problems. During the three-hour drive, Lehto provided some consultation and some questions for Kathy to ask at an upcoming meeting with the Bullitt County Clerk.
She showed a film on HAVA and paper ballots at the meeting, and asked the questions which were not satisfactorily answered. The meeting became somewhat contentious as denials and accusations flew back and forth among a number of Bullitt County citizens. |
Bev Harris
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Still more updates:
A generous citizen has provided a laptop for Kathy, and another one has found a service provide for a high speed connection near her. Another citizen may be willing to provide a laptop for the Whitley County citizens to use to further their communications, and Lehto has made arrangments for that, if/when the laptop can be arranged. |
Bev Harris
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Post Number: 6190
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And yet another update:
Kathy had reported the elections problems to Scott C. Sutherland, Director of the Special Prosecutions Division of the Kentucky Office of the Attorney General. When she filed the report, she asked them not to reveal her name to those she was reporting problems with. Kathy has now obtained a copy of a letter sent from Scott Sutherland to the Bullitt County Clerk naming her by name and alerting them that she was complaining.
After the Black Box Voting article was published, Kathy was given a number to call at the Office of Attorney General. She was interviewed by a David Sutherland, who is listed in a 2004 news article as a special prosecutor for the Kentucky office of Attorney General. He took her report and advised her as follows:
"The complaint will be reviewed by legal staff and proper steps to check the issue will be taken." |
theresa joan hardesty
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Username: Friendofkathy
Post Number: 2
Registered: 03-2007
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Bev, Just a couple of corrections. Jessica was found in the flats off of stringer lane. this is close to the salt river, but she was not found in the river. Also the 2 boys in the camaro were Paul Parsley's brother inlaw's nephews. not an actual blood relative of Mr Parsley.
thanks for all of your investigating on these issues. |
Bev Harris
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Thanks for the clarifications, Theresa. |
theresa joan hardesty
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Username: Friendofkathy
Post Number: 3
Registered: 03-2007
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Kathy Greenwell wanted me to post a note for her. She said thanks to Kim for the computer. She is not hooked up to the internet yet, but hopes to be soon. She also wanted to thank Paul Lehto for all of his help and time. Black Box Voting has been very helpful and it is greatly appreciated.
Joan |
Norman L. Snider
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Username: Nlsnider
Post Number: 1
Registered: 11-2006
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There's aa famous old poem called "In Kentucky" whose last line reads: "and politics is the damnedest In Kentucky!" Here's my "damnedest in Ky" story" to add to those about Bullitt and Whitley Counties, et al:
Franklin County KY has two voting systems: 1242 and eSlate. On November 7, 2006, I was running for city commission. The results of the two systems were reported separately, 2 hours apart. In the 1242 system, out of 19,082 votes I got 1,300 or 6.81%. In the eSlate system out of 7,749 votes I got 528, or the same 6.81%.
In seeking the probability of this happening, I contacted Dr. Jeffrey Braunstein (www.researchconsultation.com.) He suggested I carry the results to another decimal place. This gave 6.813 on both systems. Dr. Braunstein said the probability of this was about the same as a comet hitting the earth in the next 5 seconds.
I then contacted Dr. Don White, director of the statistical research center at the University of Toledo, Ohio. He said that "the real oddity here is that the two denominators - 19,082 and 7749 - have this feature that either one times ..06813 yields an integer." He explained that if there had been even a single vote difference in either system, they would not have the 6.813 % in common.}
I would like to study the results by precinct and by voting machine system, to see if there were any other "interesting" results. (Our local county clerk's office told me results by precinct and system would cost me hundreds of dollars.)
QUERY: would the BBV database be able to be programmed to tell if there were any other races in Kentucky where there was such a unity, to 5 decimal places, in the two systems for any other candidates?
Thank you for your great work, Bev et al. I saw the "Hacking Democracy" documentary two days after the November election, and until then I had no idea that electronic voting could be hacked.
I tell people who ask me to run again that I'd consider it ONLY IF Kentucky joins the ranks of states with paper trails.
Norman L. Snider
nlsnider@aol.com |
Catherine Ansbro
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Username: Catherine_a
Post Number: 3819
Registered: 12-2004
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Hello Norman.
That is sure a remarkable "coincidence". |
Bev Harris
Board Administrator
Username: Admin
Post Number: 6236
Registered: 12-2004
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Votes: 1 (A keeper?) | | Posted on Tuesday, May 8, 2007 - 5:21 am: |
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Hi, Norman,
We don't have a database of all the results in Kentucky broken out by system. I will be contacting you privately within the next week with more information, however. Your county clerk didn't exactly level with you about costs -- you have a right of inspection that involves no copying costs. It is true that the results broken out by machine are found on the voting machine results tapes, and it is true that copying those tapes can get expensive, but it is also true that you have the right to inspect them, which involves no copying costs at all. |
John Washburn
Frequent Voting Rights Forum Participant
Username: Johnwashburn
Post Number: 279
Registered: 02-2006
Best of Black Box? N/A
Votes: 0 (A keeper?) | | Posted on Tuesday, May 8, 2007 - 10:35 pm: |
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Norman:
I would echo Bev's comment. Here in Milwaukee I inspected the paper work (inspectors' reports, poll tapes, and poll books) before I requested copies be made.
This is more time consuming in that you must be present to inspect and have to probably schedule the appointment to inspect. But it is cheaper because you can then pick and choose which records to request be copied.
The resistance to inspection of records varies greatly around the country. My experiences (with one exception) have been of responsive and helpful officials producing the requested records in a timely manner.
It is only talking with others around the country in Florida and California as to how smooth my requests have been. The dodges seem to be:
1) denying such a record exists
2) producing records not asked for and claiming the production was responsive.
3) claiming trade secret or copy right and thus the requested document is exempt from disclosure.
4) Claiming crisp record requests are too vague.
See the tool kit on open records requests on how to craft an effective open records request.
I would add a generic severablity clause:
This document creates N separate open records requests numbered 1...N. The separate open record requests of this document are severable and only included in a single document for administrative convenience and thematic similarity. Any delay or inability to produce of records of one request neither delays nor prevents the production of the records of the other requests.
This way if you ask for 8 kinds of records the official cannot use the delay related to one request to hold up the production of documents for all the requests.
(Message edited by johnwashburn on May 08, 2007) |
John Washburn
Frequent Voting Rights Forum Participant
Username: Johnwashburn
Post Number: 280
Registered: 02-2006
Best of Black Box?
Votes: 1 (A keeper?) | | Posted on Tuesday, May 8, 2007 - 10:46 pm: |
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Norman:
Here is an Open Records Request I helped craft for Florida Fair Elections Coalition.
Here are the severability and redaction clasues. I contributed the severability clause and FFEC contributed the exemption and redaction clauses.
I now add these three pieces of boiler plate text to all my OR requests.
Severability: This document creates 101 separate open records requests. These 101 requests are severable and are included in this single document for administrative simplicity and the thematic similarity between the several requests. It is understood that any delay in the production of records under one request or the inability to produce records under a request will not delay or otherwise hinder the production of records for any other request. It is possible the 101 requests below overlap in the sense that the same set of records satisfies two or more of the 101 requests simultaneously. If this is the case one copy the records will suffice along with a designation as to which of the 101 requests the records simultaneously satisfy. Examples of such a designation would be: The MD5 hash value for HPS Firmware version 1.30 as used with the Optech III-P Eagle, Hardware version B.02 is xxxx. This hash value satisfies the requests numbered 52 through 60.
Exemption from Inspection: If you contend that the above records, or any of them, are exempt from inspection and copying, you are required hereby to state in writing, and with particularity, the statutory authority for the exemption and the reason or reasons for your conclusion that the record or records are so exempted.
Redaction: Redaction itself constitutes a claim for exemption of any portion of the record(s) redacted.
(Message edited by johnwashburn on May 08, 2007) |
Norman L. Snider
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Username: Nlsnider
Post Number: 2
Registered: 11-2006
Best of Black Box? N/A
Votes: 0 (A keeper?) | | Posted on Thursday, June 7, 2007 - 5:42 am: |
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The FBI is entering the Bullitt County, KY investigation today, June 7, according to a report last night by WDRB-TV in Louisville. Bev Harris appears throughout the 5 minute report, and says: "It doesn't get worse.... The simplest explanation is tampering.... Every single race was mismatched.... It was either fatally flawed or dirty...."
Kathy Greenwell, who started the investigation, says that we will never know who was really elected, and that she wonders if voting is worth it. This is the justification for pursuing my "remarkable coincidence" (above): if we don't have true elections, why should any of us vote, or run for office? |
theresa joan hardesty
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Username: Friendofkathy
Post Number: 4
Registered: 03-2007
Best of Black Box? N/A
Votes: 0 (A keeper?) | | Posted on Thursday, June 7, 2007 - 5:56 am: |
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intresting bit of information. there was a shreader truck at the courthouse and the county clerks office yesterday. (the day before the fbi got here). |
Catherine Ansbro
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Username: Catherine_a
Post Number: 3860
Registered: 12-2004
Best of Black Box? N/A
Votes: 0 (A keeper?) | | Posted on Thursday, June 7, 2007 - 6:06 am: |
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If evidence was being destroyed, would that mean more crimes were being committed? |
Bev Harris
Board Administrator
Username: Admin
Post Number: 6305
Registered: 12-2004
Best of Black Box? N/A
Votes: 0 (A keeper?) | | Posted on Thursday, June 7, 2007 - 6:17 am: |
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Well, there will be a LOT more information coming out. The Greenwells and another local citizen, Paul Watson, have been doing amazing work.
I will be at DemocracyFest this weekend, and will be posting a SERIES of articles about Bullitt County and Kentucky elections in general when I get back.
As to evidence being destoyed, well, it depends what they are shredding. One thing they have NOT been shredding is people's private information, including social security numbers. Kathy found documents that appear to be voter registration information of some kind which contained SS numbers, sitting outside in a trash bag. They apparently couldn't even be bothered to lift the bag up and place it in the dumpster -- Natalie and I found all kinds of documents containing personal information sitting in a bag in the parking lot outside the Bullitt County Clerk's office.
There will be detailed articles, with some video, posted over the next few weeks at this Web site. |
Bev Harris
Board Administrator
Username: Admin
Post Number: 6306
Registered: 12-2004
Best of Black Box? N/A
Votes: 0 (A keeper?) | | Posted on Thursday, June 7, 2007 - 6:32 am: |
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Here's a link to the Local Fox TV news video -- they did a five minute piece on the evidence Kathy Greenwell found:
http://www.fox41.com/article/view/12526/?tf=wdrbarticleview.tpl
The November 2006 Bullitt County election is toast. |
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