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10-27-06: Absentee voting is NOT advi...  
 

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Bev Harris
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Post Number: 21
Registered: 10-2006

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Posted on Friday, October 27, 2006 - 8:57 am:   Edit Post

Mail-in ballots are counted by voting machines. In some locations, they are actually entered into touch-screens! In most locations, they are counted by optical scan machines, and some of these (Diebold) have crucial checks and balances disabled.

This article exposes several problems with mail-in voting, and tells you what you can do to protect your mail-in vote.

Let's start with this: Absentee ballots may require MORE POSTAGE than you think.

In an election last year in King County Washington, voters were surprised to learn that they needed to affix two stamps, not one, to their absentee ballot envelope. This year Black Box Voting has seen anecdotal evidence that ballots in Florida and California require two stamps, not one, and this is not always clear to the voter.

What's the remedy? Unless this is incredibly, indelibly, as clearly marked as it can possibly be, demand that your jurisdiction pick up the cost for any ballots mailed in with insufficient postage. They did this in Washington State and they can do this in your jurisdiction. And, check the postage required for your own mail-in ballot. If it requires two stamps and is not clearly marked, please propagate the information to at least five communications outlets: Local media, election reform groups, political parties, candidates, blogs, e-mail lists.

The best solution is probably to start insisting that your local jurisdiction go to Business Reply Mail for mail-in ballots. This would cost the county money for postage, but provides a very good tracking and a built-in accounting system that would solve other problems as well.

Next problem: Very serious incidents can occur with incorrect ballot inserts.

In a California location where two different ballots are supposed to be inserted in each envelope mailed to the voters, some voters got only one, others got two of the same thing, and still others report ballots with some of the candidate names incorrect or left off. Why is this so serious?

It's a very sticky problem because the remedy is so difficult. Correctly implemented mail-in ballot systems protect the privacy of your vote, by using a privacy envelope inside the return envelope. While the return envelope has information so they can authenticate your right to vote, the interior envelope containing the ballots is then separated away from the authentication envelope as soon as your right to vote is verified.

Herein lies the problem when wrong ballot inserts are sent out: You can't check to see if people got the correct insert without violating their privacy, and you can't remedy the problem if you check after the vote is rendered anonymous.

What to do about it: In any location where incorrect ballot insertion is discovered, citizens and candidates should to document the numbers on the problem by observing the absentee counting process and also insisting that every one of the incorrect inserts be documented. (And this won't even be possible when ballots for the wrong precinct are inserted). Depending on the nature of the findings, this problem could justify re-running an election.

Next problem: Was your signature accepted?

When voting by mail, the signature on your voter registration card is compared with the signature on your mail-in envelope. This is often done with software like VoteRemote, which pulls the signature from your voter registration up on a computer screen and pulls the signature on your mail-in envelope onto the same screen, showing them side by side.

The jurisdiction has the option of having human eyes compare the signature or having the software do the comparison. If the software compares, it can be set strategically to various tolerances of acceptance. Whether humans or machines compare the signature, how do you know whether YOUR signature was accepted?

This is a question we haven't gotten satisfactory answers to. We've been told that every rejected signature goes through a panel before ultimately deciding whether it will count or not, and one jurisdiction (Whatcom County Washington) told me they notify the voter if the signature isn't accepted, but I don't believe most jurisdictions ever tell the voter if the signature was rejected.

I think of my mother, who loves to vote absentee. She signed her voter registration card many years ago. Is it possible that every one of her votes in recent years has been discarded? If so, how will she know?

What to do about it: You should contact your local jurisdiction and ask this question. E-mail the answer to Black Box Voting, and tell us what county or township you are in.

By the way, there is an interesting notation in some of the literature for VoteRemote signature comparison software, and there is also an interesting question arising in state database procedures. VoteRemote advertises that it can write data INTO the voter registration database, but doesn't specify what data is being written in. One notation I have seen indicates that a signature can be "updated" in the voter registration database with software for electronic signature checking, and/or software for electronic pollbooks.

Because the software is secret, written by private companies, we don't know the answer to this. If your signature can be "updated" or overwritten by software, that is a security problem. There should never be an instance of "updating" your signature without your express permission.

Next problem: Did your mail-in ballot arrive at the elections division?

Some jurisdictions allow voters to confirm whether or not their ballot arrived (but this doesn't confirm whether their signature was accepted). In other jurisdictions, there is no easy way to find out whether the ballot you mailed in ever got to the elections division.

In Broward County, Florida, an extraordinary citizen named Ellen Brodsky spent months trying to track down over 50,000 missing mail-in ballots. In King County, Washington, bags of ballots were once found years after they were supposed to be delivered. Also in King County, incoming ballots were being taken from the U.S. Post Office to a private company called PSI Group, without an accounting of how many arrived at the Post Office, how many arrived at PSI Group, vs. how many arrived at the Los Angeles County Elections division.

What to do: Call your local jurisdiction to find out the procedures for you to verify that your ballot was received. If your county cannot provide you with this information, contact Black Box Voting and also take action to change this policy (but that won't help you in the Nov. 2006 election).

Next problem: Chain of custody of the mail-in ballots

Election officials have told us that this is one of their primary concerns. For example, after the ballots are separated from the envelopes that identify the voter, can new ballots be added or substituted? And what about the storage of absentee ballots as they are coming in, before they are counted? And transportation: In King County, Washington, as many as 60,000 ballots per day are received -- perhaps even more. Who's driving the truck, and what is protecting these ballots enroute?

What to do: This is where extraordinary acts of citizenship are in order. We often find that what election officials TELL us is happening to protect the ballots is not the whole truth -- and sometimes it's not the truth at all. One valuable contribution you can make to election integrity in your jurisdiction is to organize a small posse to try and actually observe each step in the chain of custody. Here is a Citizens Tool Kit module with ideas for you:
http://www.blackboxvoting.org/toolkit-chain-of-custody.pdf

Report back on any problems you identify in the "Reports from the Front Lines" section of these forums, and/or propagate the information to at least five communications targets: A blog, a listserve, the media, some candidates, your local election reform group, a national elections watchdog group, and one of the incident reporting telephone lines.

Next problem: Ballot printer accountability

It used to be that all ballots were serial numbered. There was a careful accounting of how many ballots were printed, in serial-numbered order, and what happened to each ballot. The serial number could, of course, be used to tie a voter to a ballot, so it was affixed to the ballot with a perforation. The serial number was accounted for, then removed and saved in a separate secure ballot box. Not so any more!

Records obtained by Black Box Voting indicate that the Diebold ballot printing company located in Everett, Washington was budgeting to overprint by as many as 25 percent of what they delivered to the county. Employees of the ballot printing company asked US -- what happens to these extra ballots that are being printed up?

Well that's a good question. While counties and townships are expected to account for their ballots (though the accounting may or may not match -- that's another issue!) -- the ballot printer is usually under no obligation to account for what they do with extra ballots.

Having extra ballots floating around anywhere significantly jeopardizes the security of the election. It allows for back-room deals with insiders to replace ballots if a recount occurs, to make sure they "match" the results that were given out.

What to do: Insist on a return to serial-numbered ballot printing with accurate, careful accounting by all parties.

Next problem: Voting machine issues

Absentee ballots are usually run through an optical scan voting machine. These machines have, in the past, produced tapes that give the results. These voting machine results tapes can then be compared with the central tabulator.

Diebold, at least, has disabled this results tape in its absentee counting machines, so that the ONLY results are the data held in the GEMS central tabulator machine -- a system so hackable that we once taught a chimpanzee to alter its audit log; this is the system I taught presidential candidate Howard Dean to manipulate.

The absentee votes are at particular risk in the GEMS central tabulator, for the following reason: Many absentee votes are counted after Election Day. By this time, you know exactly how many votes are needed to win. The simplest way to manipulate the tabulator to tweak absentee votes for a particular candidate is this:

- Each candidate is assigned a number in the GEMS system

- By flipping the number, you effectively flip the vote.

- You can flip votes back and forth as often as needed simply by reversing the candidate numbers in the GEMS database.

Yes, that requires inside access. But we should NOT be required to "trust" our government. Instead, we need to trust but verify, and the only way we can begin to verify the absentee central tabulator is to get the actual computer data files for each time the results were run.

What to do: Request the GEMS computer files for each time a report was run. You can find out when reports were run by getting the reports themselves, and also by looking at the GEMS audit log -- that that can be easily edited. The computer file should be saved as a backup file each time a report is run. You should get a copy of each of these iterations of the backup files. It's circumstantial evidence, it's tamperable, but it's probably the best you're going to get.

And then, isn't it time to vote Diebold off the island?

Next problem: Recounts

Mail-in votes are often counted in non-homogenous batches, and when candidates seek a recount, they are quoted exceedingly large sums because, they are told, it is impossible or very costly to sort out the ballots to obtain just their district.

What to do about it:

- One solution is to insist that the local elections division purchase an off-the-shelf scanner, scan all the ballots, and post the pdf or tiff files online so that citizens can look at all the ballots themselves. Or, allow citizens to get copies of all these ballot scans on CD or DVD.

This is an imperfect solution but would allow citizens to develop ballot-sorting programs themselves to sort those images so candidates could look at their own ballot evidence without forking out half a million dollars.

Recommendations for mail-in voting:

1. If you have any kind of a paper trail available in your location, vote at the polling place.

2. If you're going to do mail-in voting, treat democracy as a contact sport. Get in there and watch what's going on. Don't take anyone's word for what they say they are doing -- watch it yourself. Don't cede the right to oversee over to an assigned monitor or political party observer -- insist on the right to oversee it yourself, as a citizen, as the owner of your government.

VOTE: If you are disenchanted with the current election system, go on the offense, don't retreat -- and that means, VOTE!

Put your vote into the record and then hunt down evidence that ALL votes were received and counted accurately.

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Be very clear about your job as a citizen right now: It is to reverse the swing of the pendulum. It's been swinging away from citizen control -- your job is to take back your government. Start at the local level.

You own your government -- not the other way around. It is time to get out of your chair, step away from the Internet, and get involved in citizen oversight.

We salute the extraordinary citizens who are taking back America.
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Russell Novkov
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Posted on Friday, October 27, 2006 - 8:57 pm:   Edit Post

There should not be more than one postage stamp required, who said you needed two stamps.
Russell J. Novkov
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Patricia Gracian
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Posted on Saturday, October 28, 2006 - 8:31 am:   Edit Post

Bev,
Citizens should avoid several of these problems by hand-delivering their ballots to the Registrar of Voters office anytime until election day, or to their local precinct ON election day.
- Pat
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Dave Preston
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Posted on Sunday, October 29, 2006 - 5:44 am:   Edit Post

In CA McPherson has asked the USPS to deliver them regardless of missing postage and has instructed them to bill it back to the individual counties.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/10/27/BACADIGEST3.DTL&hw=a bsentee+ballots+postage&sn=001&sc=1000

I always hand deliver my ballot anyway.
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Jerry Berkman
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Registered: 05-2006

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Posted on Sunday, October 29, 2006 - 8:32 am:   Edit Post

There is anecdotal evidence that some absentee ballots are returned due to lack of sufficient postage. And, McPherson only contacted the California USPS. If you are voting absentee due to being out of state, then you must put on sufficient postage. I think it is 63 cents for most areas, even more for one county (Ventura?).
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Ken Hester
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Posted on Sunday, October 29, 2006 - 6:00 pm:   Edit Post

Ohio absentee ballots require $0.63 postage which is stated in an insert with the ballot. Hopefully every ballot mailed will include this insert.

As for chain of evidence observations, I am wondering about the efficacy of any such efforts given our situation in Ohio.
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V. Kurt Bellman
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Posted on Monday, October 30, 2006 - 9:21 am:   Edit Post

Patricia,

Please BE CAREFUL WITH THAT ADVICE! Many states (Pennsylvania is one) do NOT ALLOW the delivery of absentee ballots to polling sites AT ALL!

All absentee ballots must be in the hands of county election officials by this Friday, close of business, in Pennsylvania. Any ballot delivered to a polling site by a voter (or a surrogate) is null and void.
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Pat Duff
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Posted on Monday, October 30, 2006 - 10:16 am:   Edit Post

Yes, Ventura: $0.87
The ballot is HUGE. 2 separate full pages, both sides full top to bottom & side to side.
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V. Kurt Bellman
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Posted on Monday, October 30, 2006 - 10:32 am:   Edit Post

..and if you're going to ask, yes, that means if a voter has an emergency after Friday at the close of business, and finds he has a need for an absentee ballot after Friday at 5PM, he is out of luck, according to Pennsylvania law.

In 2004, in my county alone, there were 8-10 people who were hospitalized over the weekend before the election, and they had no way to vote.

Pennsylvania has the most restrictive absentee ballot law in the country, and the earliest deadline.
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Christina Vaught
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Posted on Wednesday, November 1, 2006 - 5:52 am:   Edit Post

In Summit County, Ohio, the absentee ballots without sufficient postage are allowed to be processed through the postal systm regardless. This was a ruling set down by the U.S. Postal Service in Washington, D.C., so I would imagine it holds true for the entire United States.
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Dan Oetting
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Posted on Wednesday, November 1, 2006 - 5:49 pm:   Edit Post

There are some specific districts that gave voters incorrect information regarding the postage required to return the absentee ballot. In these areas the county or state made arrangements with the post office to deliver the mail postage due.

My fear is that this story will reach some familes where the decission to put stamps on two absentee ballots or buy a loaf of bread must be made. I'm afraid that the tendency to not verify the facts of good news will result in many disinfranchised lower class voters.
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Jeremy Henderson
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Posted on Thursday, November 2, 2006 - 1:39 pm:   Edit Post

Here in Florida the absentee ballot is two thick card-stock sheets of legal paper, that fit into a small manila envelope which then fits into the white mailing envelope. Right where you affix the stamp it does state that it requires $0.87 postage. So that's one thing that election officials here in FL have managed not to botch, I guess.
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John F. Moe, MD, MPH
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Posted on Tuesday, November 7, 2006 - 4:47 pm:   Edit Post

In Hamilton County, Indiana, our absentee ballot envelopes came to us with the required postage already attached.

John
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Brian S
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Posted on Tuesday, November 7, 2006 - 7:06 pm:   Edit Post

why don't the voting officials simply enable crucial checks and balances?? are they stupid, or is this implying it not an option on these machines? I don't know the particular models
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Brian S
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Posted on Tuesday, November 7, 2006 - 7:12 pm:   Edit Post

by the way I used to vote permanent absentee but the county did a really terrible time ever mailing me my ballot on time if at all. this happened at least twice if not 3 times!! that means you know what - provisional time which always confuses the heck out of old election volunteers. plus I live 200 feet from my polling place now so I figure I can just walk there and vote the most straightforward accurate way possible.

true I also prefer to have my ballot counted on the night of the election not later on after the vote has already basically been "decided". but in the past it's not always as easy to get to the poll and out in a reasonable time
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Gentry Lange
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Posted on Friday, March 16, 2007 - 8:54 am:   Edit Post

Vote by mail is sold as the "Solution" to "Touchscreen Voting Machines". But as Bev points out, it is no solution. I am documenting problems with Vote By Mail, and absentee ballot systems at No Vote By Mail:

Novbm.com

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