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Dan Oetting
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Username: Dan_oetting

Post Number: 24
Registered: 07-2006

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Posted on Wednesday, August 9, 2006 - 7:14 am:   

Bev, I recognize the conditions where my procedures don't work and said so in the post. This was a direct response to a voter that wanted to know where her vote went and I offered a procedure that an individual could use to follow their vote from the ballot to the state result. But if the election system is not open at any level then even a 100% hand count isn't going to offer any better result.

I left one big gap in my procedures for verifying an election and that is the counting of the votes to get the precinct results. The best way to make this step open is if the voters can watch the ballot box being opened and the votes counted in front of their eyes. Recounts at any later time get into chain of custody issues.

Our elections must be open so that every number going into every tally can be verified. Once you have the tally process in the open, audits and recounts can detect where errors have occurred.

Election officials that don't make the election process open are either ignorant or corrupt. If they are simply ignorant they can be shown the light. If they are corrupt they must be brought to light.
 

The public must be able to see and authenticate these four essential steps for an election to be public, democratic, and valid: (1) Who can vote (voter list); (2) Who did vote (3) The original count; (4) Chain of custody.