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Bev Harris Board Administrator Username: Admin
Post Number: 11708 Registered: 12-2004
Best of Black Box?  Votes: 4 (A keeper?) | | Posted on Friday, July 27, 2012 - 10:31 am: |
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It's useful to defog election transparency problems using short, consistent terms, like "IMPOSSIBLE NUMBERS". In Mississippi, Jackson Free Press reporter Jacob Fuller astutely details a set of impossible numbers in a Hinds County election, but readers eyes may glaze over as he explains accounting mismatches. He also describes a less-than-dazzling, but nevertheless quite determined dance by election officials when questioned about mismatched numbers. If this reporter learns to use two magic words, the dance of the election officials may reach star billing. These two words, "Impossible Numbers", were coined into election lingo by the articulate Richard Hayes Phillips (author of WITNESS TO A CRIME, a book detailing impossible numbers in Ohio's 2004 election). Disappointingly, some election officials have trouble comprehending the gravity of impossible numbers in elections. Or at least, they pretend not to understand. Fuller reports that when he posed questions about impossible figures at the Hinds County Elections Commission office, he was told, "Don't come in here and open up a can of worms." Oddly, election boards do certify elections -- that is, assert that correctness has been verified, locking in officialdom and permanence -- even when numbers can't possibly be true. Fuller reports: "When asked about the discrepancy, Williams said she had not looked at the number of people who signed the roll. When asked who was supposed to compare voter-roll numbers to election totals, Williams said the election had been certified and she had nothing else to tell me. When I asked the question again, Williams answer was only slightly more telling. "'...Well, anyway, I don't know anything about the people that signed the voter rolls, about their numbers or whatever,' Williams said. 'Nothing came up as a question when we were certifying, and we certified, and it's a done deal.'" Election cheating is a game of Beat The Clock. Make it a "done deal" as quickly as you can. Elections require certain accounting checks and balances, and one of these is matching up the number of voters to the number of votes. Anyone can do it: Citizens, reporters, candidates. And it's an important part of public oversight. Someone may be counting on you NOT to match the numbers. Impossible numbers appear when you find: 1) Phantom voters: You have more votes than voters or 2) Vanishing votes: You have more voters than ballots cast It is purely amazing when election officials claim there is no problem with phantom voters (votes appear without voters). It is more amazing yet that election boards and even election auditing firms certify elections containing phantom voters. Blank votes present a more complex scenario because they aren't necessarily impossible. Blank votes -- not as many votes as voters in some races -- may just be choices the voter decided not to make. Some ballot choices seem to bore voters, like judicial races with no opposition, or races for positions deemed uninteresting. But blank votes turn into votes that vanished altogether when you sum votes + blank votes = BALLOTS CAST, and you have significantly more VOTERS than BALLOTS CAST. For example: Number voters check in at polls: 100 Sheriff Race - 60 votes for Joe, 30 for Tom, 10 ballots leave sheriff race blank That's not impossible, because although there are only 90 votes for sheriff (60+30=90), when you add in the blanks, you get 90+10=100, a match with number of voters. And by the way, electronic voting tabulators offer a reporting option to include number of blank votes in each race. Request results with blank votes included. Now, if you have 100 voters sign in, but only 90 ballots are cast (including blank votes), you get an impossible number. Some election officials, laughably, if only it were funny, try to explain such impossibilities claiming these are "fleeing voters", explaining with straight faces that plenty of people drive to the polls, stand in line, sign in, then flee before casting a ballot. More likely: Voting machines, or people, ditched some ballots. As you read the article linked below about the Hinds County numbers mismatch, think about how much more quickly understood this article would be by incorporating the phrase "impossible numbers" at the appropriate points: Jackson Free Press - July 26, 2012, by Jacob Fuller http://www.jacksonfreepress.com/news/2012/jul/26/voter-rolls-votes-dont-match/ Ward 3 Voter Rolls, Votes Don't Match Up JACKSON — The official numbers are in for the Ward 3 runoff election between LaRita Stokes and Joyce Jackson, but there is a discrepancy between the vote totals and the number of voters who signed the roll at Precinct 11. No one at the city or county seems to know anything about it, and everyone wants to direct questions to another department. The precinct, located in the Jackson Medical Mall, reported only 33 total votes, according to the official numbers from the Hinds County Election Commission. When this reporter and JFP intern Aaron Cooper stopped by the precinct around 2:30 p.m. on Election Day, though, 67 voters had already signed the roll. Joyce Jackson said Tuesday night that one of her poll watchers saw more than 100 voter signatures at the Precinct 11 around the polls' 7 p.m. closing time. Cooper-Stokes defeated Jackson by 163 votes. Neither Hinds County Election Commissioner Connie Cochran nor county Election Commission Office Manager Grace Wallace knew anything about the discrepancy until this reporter told them about 1 p.m. Thursday. Neither seemed pleased to hear the news, either. "Don't come in here and open up a can of worms," Wallace said after hearing the report. Cochran said that if not all the votes were officially counted, it probably means the city election commission workers did not download all the voting machines correctly. The voting machines and bags of precinct supplies were in the basement hall of the Hinds County Court House on Pascagoula Street, outside the county election commission office. Wallace looked in the Precinct 11 bag for the voter-roll sheets, but they weren't there. Cochran said the city election workers must have taken them to City Hall. Jackson City Clerk Brenda Pree said the city election commission would have the voter rolls if they were in City Hall. She said no one was in the election commission office, though, because they finished their job by verifying the results Wednesday. She said if someone wanted to know about any differences in official results and voter rolls, they would have to ask one of the city election commission workers: Beryl P. Williams, Della Cooper or Linda Sanders. When asked about the discrepancy, Williams said she had not looked at the number of people who signed the roll. When asked who was supposed to compare voter-roll numbers to election totals, Williams said the election had been certified and she had nothing else to tell me. When I asked the question again, Williams answer was only slightly more telling. "It didn’t come up for there to be...(trailed off) Well, anyway, I don't know anything about the people that signed the voter rolls, about their numbers or whatever," Williams said. "Nothing came up as a question when we were certifying, and we certified, and it's a done deal." Williams said City Clerk Pree has voter rolls now. When I told Williams that Pree had sent me to her, she said she thinks the voter rolls are in the city clerk's vault. "I think there’s somehow, and I'm making this up, you can challenge and the other (candidate) gets to challenge, and we can meet you down there, and you can look for as long as you want to," Williams said. Williams said to challenge, the candidate would need to call the secretary of state's office. When I called Pree to request a copy of the voter rolls, she directed me once again to the election commission. When I said they directed me to her, she said the rolls are probably in the city vault, and that I would need to call the city attorney's office to request a copy. When I called the city attorney's office, the attorney who answered the phone said I would need to talk to Deputy City Attorney James Anderson, who was out of the office. I left my phone number for him to call me back this afternoon. The public must be able to see and authenticate these four essential steps for an election to be public, democratic, and valid: (1) Who can vote (voter list); (2) Who did vote (3) The original count; (4) Chain of custody.
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Bob Fleischer Frequent Voting Rights Forum Participant Username: Rjf7r
Post Number: 248 Registered: 9-2005
Best of Black Box? N/A Votes: 0 (A keeper?) | | Posted on Friday, July 27, 2012 - 12:19 pm: |
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I think officials like machines for the same reason they like standard procedures: if the procedures are followed (actually, if it is claimed they were followed), then people shouldn't question (and in their ideal world, aren't allowed to question) the outcome. After all, the procedure was followed, especially so in the case of machines, which are just dumb procedure-followers, right? |
   
Bob Fleischer Frequent Voting Rights Forum Participant Username: Rjf7r
Post Number: 249 Registered: 9-2005
Best of Black Box? N/A Votes: 0 (A keeper?) | | Posted on Friday, July 27, 2012 - 12:46 pm: |
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This article might have something to do with why election officials are like this: http://www.alternet.org/chris-hedges-how-careerism-big-part-our-social-predicament?page=0%2C2&paging=off |
   
Kurt Bellman Frequent Voting Rights Forum Participant Username: Realkurtb
Post Number: 127 Registered: 6-2011
Best of Black Box? N/A Votes: 0 (A keeper?) | | Posted on Friday, July 27, 2012 - 12:53 pm: |
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I know this will shock some people, because it shocked me when I first learned it, and I don't shock easily. Certified election results does NOT mean accurate election results. It merely means the final election results we are going to do unless a court intervenes to make us do more. It has always been this way. Certification has nothing at all to do with accuracy. The general public merely assumes it does. It never has. So, if you wave "impossible numbers" and somebody else says "it's certified", those concepts are NOT incompatible, and futhermore, they never have been. What "it's certified" means is "sue us if you don't like it". I know that may make your eyes bleed or your brain explode, but there it is. |
   
Bev Harris Board Administrator Username: Admin
Post Number: 11709 Registered: 12-2004
Best of Black Box? N/A Votes: 0 (A keeper?) | | Posted on Friday, July 27, 2012 - 1:15 pm: |
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I think the words above the signature line and the words in the election code and administrative codes would be despositive in terms of whether certifying is supposed to vouch for accuracy. In Shelby County TN, they actually hired, at considerable expense, an outside auditing firm, which issues its report and then they certify. It is true, of course, that the auditing firm does note several impossible and mismatched numbers, and that they always certify it anyway. So I'm not sure what the point of the outside auditing firm is. I guess they do all have a statutory deadline in which they must certify, and I suppose, if there is no plaintiff to sue to stop the cert, they may say they "have to" certify, but that would depend on what is in the law and administrative code, which will vary in each state. The public must be able to see and authenticate these four essential steps for an election to be public, democratic, and valid: (1) Who can vote (voter list); (2) Who did vote (3) The original count; (4) Chain of custody.
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Bob Fleischer Frequent Voting Rights Forum Participant Username: Rjf7r
Post Number: 250 Registered: 9-2005
Best of Black Box? N/A Votes: 0 (A keeper?) | | Posted on Friday, July 27, 2012 - 1:20 pm: |
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Kurt, I think the question is this: why don't election officials' heads explode when they are presented with good evidence that they have certified impossible results? What's the thought process? How do people deal with themselves? |
   
Kurt Bellman Frequent Voting Rights Forum Participant Username: Realkurtb
Post Number: 128 Registered: 6-2011
Best of Black Box? N/A Votes: 0 (A keeper?) | | Posted on Friday, July 27, 2012 - 1:27 pm: |
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Bob, It's all about three things: 1) mandated deadlines of the "no matter what" variety 2) resources - no one will force any expenditures that can't materially change the outcome 3) what is the legal standard - in Pennsylvania the ONLY standard is do your best to seat the correct winner as near as you can tell it, more detail than that is superfluous under all available case law |
   
Kurt Bellman Frequent Voting Rights Forum Participant Username: Realkurtb
Post Number: 129 Registered: 6-2011
Best of Black Box? N/A Votes: 0 (A keeper?) | | Posted on Friday, July 27, 2012 - 1:33 pm: |
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Example: The election just after I was fired - the "lawyer" who replaced me was faced with an impossible task and screwed up several machines (see the May 2005 Berks County primary in the Danaher/Shouptronic problems files). The numbers they certified included at least five machines where HUNDREDS of votes were simply LOST forever. They were REQUIRED to certify what they had. At the trial, several plaintiffs asking for a redone election testified essentially, "every vote must be counted". The judge said in open court (I remember it as if it were yesterday), "Where on earth did you get an idea like that? That's never been true." Judge Stallone was correct that day, and he still is. "Every vote must be counted" is not a statement of law; not in my state. It is a political slogan, nothing more. |
   
Bob Fleischer Frequent Voting Rights Forum Participant Username: Rjf7r
Post Number: 251 Registered: 9-2005
Best of Black Box? N/A Votes: 0 (A keeper?) | | Posted on Friday, July 27, 2012 - 1:41 pm: |
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The problem I have, Kurt, is this. If election officials do not have accuracy as one of their goals, how can "we the people" expect anything approaching accuracy from them? I assume then that their sole goal is "follow the procedure". As I wrote above, I can see why they would like machines in that case. On the other hand, if they do have accuracy as one of their goals (I'm talking about internal, personal, not the law), how can they live with themselves if they are presented with simple evidence of inaccuracy? This is why I offered the link to Hedges essay on careerism and its effect on society. Perhaps they don't think like me (or you?). |
   
Kurt Bellman Frequent Voting Rights Forum Participant Username: Realkurtb
Post Number: 130 Registered: 6-2011
Best of Black Box? N/A Votes: 0 (A keeper?) | | Posted on Friday, July 27, 2012 - 1:47 pm: |
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From the article Bob linked above: "These systems managers believe nothing. They have no loyalty. They are rootless. They do not think beyond their tiny, insignificant roles. They are blind and deaf. They are, at least regarding the great ideas and patterns of human civilization and history, utterly illiterate. And we churn them out of universities." Yup. Describes at least a solid majority of elections officials I have met. The relatively few exceptions are more charming, but their higher level motivations makes them suspect in other ways too often. |
   
Bob Fleischer Frequent Voting Rights Forum Participant Username: Rjf7r
Post Number: 252 Registered: 9-2005
Best of Black Box? N/A Votes: 0 (A keeper?) | | Posted on Friday, July 27, 2012 - 1:58 pm: |
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This suggests that getting the system to check its own results is futile. |
   
Kurt Bellman Frequent Voting Rights Forum Participant Username: Realkurtb
Post Number: 132 Registered: 6-2011
Best of Black Box? N/A Votes: 0 (A keeper?) | | Posted on Friday, July 27, 2012 - 2:40 pm: |
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Often the ABILITY to "think beyond their tiny, insignificant roles" is used to DISQUALIFY people from lower level government service. OVERQUALIFIED! In six months I went from being nicknamed "The Professor" to "The guy with the best relationship with the media in the courthouse" to "former employee". The proclivity of elected officials to destroy anyone they even perceive as a possible future political threat is limitless. |
   
Tom Courbat Frequent Voting Rights Forum Participant Username: Leftisbest
Post Number: 131 Registered: 6-2006
Best of Black Box? N/A Votes: 0 (A keeper?) | | Posted on Tuesday, July 31, 2012 - 3:37 am: |
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Kurt, When did you get "fired"? |
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