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| 4/12 - IDEA FOR TRANSPARENCY |
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From the Mailbag
Frequent Voting Rights Forum Participant
Username: Mailbag
Post Number: 319
Registered: 10-2005
Best of Black Box? N/A
Votes: 0 (A keeper?) | | Posted on Friday, April 20, 2012 - 10:28 am: | 
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MESSAGE FOR BEV: Hello to the Great and Wonderful Bev Harris I'm the lady who spoke with you on the phone -
IDEA FOR TRANSPARENCY: My idea is a huge board on the wall with the candidates' names on it. People could make their mark on it and it would be visible for all to see, in the open.
People have lost trust in this government and the way everything is being done. "We the People" need to know without a doubt we are not being cheated again. Why does it need to be so secret? That has set up the process of vote stealing.
Thank you so much for your time it was an honor to speak to you ... I've lost all trust in the primaries this year, which means I do not trust the November elections.
It's all bought, it's all rigged, it's all a big hoax... and they're stealing the votes right in front of your eyes. The American people watching all of these and saying they are stealing the election, I guess I've got to go watch American Idol now....?
So the vote fraud will go on and on until we all get mad enough to do something! They are spitting in your face and telling you that it's rain! As long as we all go a long with it we'll all get spit on a lot more! In my perfect republic of the future, which I'd like to see when the government finally collapses ... election fraud is a capital crime!
In this particular case the death should be slow and hard... to make an example. Because these people are stealing the entire country.
When someone steals your wallet, how long are they supposed to go to jail for? Like someone who goes into a 7-11 and empties out the register , how long do they go to jail for?
Then there are these people who are stealing an entire nation, worth how many trillions of dollars????? They are stealing money from every single American! Yet we don't have a government who is willing to investigate or prosecute vote fraud, which tells you that the existing government is here because of vote fraud. So I would make election vote fraud a capital crime, death penalty crime. I'm not a big supporter of the death penalty but I'll make an exception in this case. Plus I'd have it as part of the Constitution. That any candidate who's staff is caught in gauging in election fraud, that they are immediately disqualified from the contest!
The reason is, if you cannot manage your own staff your automatically disqualified because it proves you're not capable of managing a state or a nation! You want to be a leader... let's see some leadership!
sent by e-mail from A.D. |
Bev Harris
Board Administrator
Username: Admin
Post Number: 11594
Registered: 12-2004
Best of Black Box? 
Votes: 1 (A keeper?) | | Posted on Friday, April 20, 2012 - 10:36 am: |
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Hi, A.D. -
It is true that quite a lot of election fraud could be eliminated by removing voter privacy, which the "Big Board" idea would do. But voter privacy was put in place for a reason -- people were being threatened, and sometimes losing their jobs, when their employer knew how they voted. People were also being paid for their votes.
There are simpler ways to restore transparency which retain the important concept of voter privacy. We have to make sure the public can see and authenticate just four things:
1. Who can vote (the voter list)
2. Who did vote (the participating voter list)
3. Chain of custody
4. The count
As for the death penalty for stealing America in elections, that may be both an overstatement and an understatement.
It is an understatement because this is now a global problem, not just an American one; the same companies that have removed transparency in our election process are running elections throughout the world. This is global centralization of power over elections on a truly unprecedented scale.
It is an overstatement because we could eliminate a lot of this simply by mandating transparency, and even just enforcing the laws already on the books! There is currently little will to investigate or prosecute violations of election law. The prosecutors are usually elected on the same system, administered by the same officials, that they would be prosecuting. |
From the Mailbag
Frequent Voting Rights Forum Participant
Username: Mailbag
Post Number: 321
Registered: 10-2005
Best of Black Box? N/A
Votes: 0 (A keeper?) | | Posted on Saturday, April 21, 2012 - 10:59 am: |
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Re: Dear Bev Harris, Thank you so much for responding thing to my email. People are proud to place a sign in their yard of the candidate of their chose, so that anybody that drives by their home knows how they're planning to vote... At this rate doing things as they've been done and expecting honesty from a corrupt government is crazy. The government has lose the trust of the government that most people are not going to waste their time in voting, because it is just going to be robbed from them. Things are going to have to change!
The Boards, a board for each in the open where everyone can see, again if people can post their chose in their front yards proudly they can walk up to the visible by all boards and place their mark proudly. Hey everyone is being laid off these days and I'm tired the theft.
-- A.D. |
Bev Harris
Board Administrator
Username: Admin
Post Number: 11599
Registered: 12-2004
Best of Black Box? N/A
Votes: 0 (A keeper?) | | Posted on Saturday, April 21, 2012 - 11:00 am: |
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Actually, even something simpler might help to get public awareness increased.
If candidates can use yard signs, why not the public?
"Let the us see the counting!"
"Stop Letting the Government Choose Itself!"
"The public has the right to verify:
(1) Who can vote
(2) Who did vote
(3) Chain of Custody
(4) The Counting" |
Dustin Ohman
Voting Rights Forum Participant
Username: Ohmandd
Post Number: 2
Registered: 10-2012
Best of Black Box? N/A
Votes: 0 (A keeper?) | | Posted on Wednesday, October 31, 2012 - 10:36 pm: |
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Idea: (walking into a voting center) I'm welcomed by the greater (who is under a couple cameras, publically viewed via the web and locally recorded), who would ensure that I am registered in the area of responsibility of the voting center. (Restricts who can vote, to those who are eligible)
After being "signed in", I would be given a blank ballot and sent into my booth, to write in my choices (privately). After annotating my vote, fold the sheet(s) and exit the private area to where a box (or the boxes) are located, with many (2 or more) cameras oversee the box, where my completed ballot is dropped into. The same box that was publically and openly verified empty, prior to the start of voting. At no time are the camera to be diverted from, or the boxes relocated from an open view (from one or both cameras, and the public, both on the web and in the room.) (Chain of Custody and transparent)
At the end of the voting period, an extra set of cameras are brought in to "get a closer look" of each ballot, as they are pulled out of the boxes (the boxes remain in their place). As the ballot is pulled out, it is placed on a camera platform, the vote made public and counted by the county/area. Once totaled, an email/phone call/fax (or whatever) is completed to notify the next higher step, on up to the state level. If the state reports an error, any person should be able to report the error, with video proof. (Counting transparency, with personal privacy)
Does that sound good? |
Kurt Bellman
Frequent Voting Rights Forum Participant
Username: Realkurtb
Post Number: 196
Registered: 6-2011
Best of Black Box? N/A
Votes: 0 (A keeper?) | | Posted on Thursday, November 1, 2012 - 5:18 am: |
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It sounds great. It's a good public policy statement. However, in all but a few smallish places, it's not the law. It has also been very expensive to do what you suggest, up to now, but that's going to keep improving by technological nature. (I do shudder at the idea of some 90 year old setting up the overhead camera.)
It has a few problems under federal law, specifically the ability of blind and disabled to vote privately and independently under HAVA. You might, and should, argue that this affects such a tiny proportion of voters and surely another method could be provided for them. And I'd agree. But the vast majority of "accessibility advocates" would not agree. Their view is that EVERYONE should be forced to vote by the same hightech means that they require, because segregating their votes is unacceptable. These organizations, known as "independent living councils" or similar, are hardcore ideologues, and politicians are VERY afraid of them. The federal courts tend to give these ideologues everything they ask for, even though the price is the loss of a transparent and accountable election for everyone else.
Just as an example of how they are catered to, on Pennsylvania's Help America Vote Act State Plan Advisory Board, which I chaired, advocates for the handicapped were given two guaranteed seats, and aside from me, NO ONE ON THE BOARD would even question any of the handicapped community representatives' demands. And my questioning drew a cautionary rebuke from the Deputy Secretary and the Chief Counsel.
Advocates for the "differently abled" are aggressive, insistent, litigious, and they never heard of compromise. |
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